"Danger follows a camel on a small tin box"

[Royksprekk]

I'm not saying most Americans wouldn't make the cigarette to snus conversion, I'm saying most haven't.

And, I'll go out on a limb here and say that most won't.

At this point, every single smoker in the U.S. (with some level of awareness) knows that smoking is the single most preventable cause of death according to the World Health Organization. Most will smoke until the day they die. Why is that?

I'm sure there are some "snus snobs" out there. Personally, I don't pretend that I'm better than cigarette smokers, or that their tastes are inferior to mine. The simple fact is, people tend to stick with what they know, and what works for them. Cigarettes and snus are very different nicotine delivery methods (quick fix versus IV drip, the ritual of the lighter, inhaling the smoke, the unique social element.) Non-smokers totally miss out on the conversations held during smoke breaks (which can be the best.) Then again, smokers totally miss out on snussing in the shower (anyone else love this?)

I find it interesting that while many threads about politics and pastimes spark debate, the majority of posters tend to often find quite a bit in common. The percentage of libertarians here does not line up with the percentage of libertarians in the U.S. (unfortunately.) It's easy to think this forum represents the population as a whole, but it doesn't. It doesn't necessarily mean that this "community of snusers" needs to be elitist (because, quite frankly, it isn't.) It just represents a minority.

America has a love/hate relationship with cigarettes, and I just don't see what happened in Sweden with their smoking bans happening to the same extent here. It can be debated ad infinitum, but only time will tell...

For all the flak cigarettes get, they get romanticized a ton.

I want the following analogy to be completed:

Quentin Tarantino is to Zippo lighters as _________ is to Icetools.

[Quemador]

That's easy... Fat Albert.

[spirit72]

Like I said before: Fine, let the prohibitionists go after the candy.

It seems that when it comes to RJR and PM, there is always a bit of method to their madness. In fact, I suspect that the 'sticks' and 'orbs' are getting just the attention they wanted.

[Xobeloot]

I'm actually kind of excited to try these. I like stonewall java quite a bit.

[lxskllr]

I want the following analogy to be completed:

Quentin Tarantino is to Zippo lighters as Xobeloot is to Icetools.

[Royksprekk]

That is the correct answer.

I realized it was the only thing I could insert into that blank spot that made sense when I typed it.

Unfortunately, unlike Xobeloot, I have no prizes... :cry:

Xobeloot, start making films...it is your destiny.

[deebocools]

Royk, I didn't mean to put you on the spot there. You made some excellent points in that this board represents a minority.

This is a multi-generational thing. It's true that if swedish snus just appeared everywhere cigarettes are, most people wouldn't switch. I always refer to "in my lifetime" because I'm 21 now. in a decade snus will be in most tobacco shops, another decade the gas stations, and another decade, a majority of americans will be aware of it. This along with more and more restrictions on smoking, the implications are obvious. Just like in sweden, snus will overtake cigarettes slowly.

On the other discussion, I didn't even consider that maybe the orbs and sticks is a smoke-and-mirrors effort, but that is genius. I can see it now- more and more restrictions on smoking, a huge "save the children" effort to ban the orbs and sticks, and snus is left undisturbed while the market grows. By the time they get around to trying to ban snus, the awareness of it is much higher and they have a dog in the fight. maybe...

[snussy]

sorry if this is a dumb question, but with all this politics about tobacco going around i had to ask. Many are saying that tobacco sales on the internet should be banned because it makes it really easy for children to obtain tobacco. My question is how can kids buy anything on the internet? dont you need a credit card or debit card? which would require you to be 18? How does this make it easier? I would think kids asking grownups to buy it from the store for them would be the easier method.

[deebocools]

that's very true- when I was a child I always knew if I wanted something online(check it out, I'm gen-Y as hell), I'd have to talk to my parents about it. Even if I could snag their credit cards then the mail might come when they're there and I'm not, and even If I got away with it they'd see the charge on their bill

[snussy]

That's what I was Thinking. I mean if people are saying it would make it easier for a child to get tobacco, wouldnt this boil down to parental responsibility? I hate how everything is blamed on everything BUT the parents. Whether its violent video games, violent movies, tobacco etc, everything else is blamed but the parents. If a parent doesn't notice their card being charged it isn't anybody's fault but their own.

[Bona Fide]

miller chill, lime flavor BAN IT. coconut rum, BAN IT. cotton candy panties, BAN IT. mikes hard lemonade, BAN IT. how dare those adults sneak those flavor's into their products just to trick my kid into wanting to try it. cause lord knows that adults dont like fun fruity flavored things to break the monatany of the same old thing theve been drinking and doing for the past 20 years. those tricky sons a bitches, right honey... oh and babe mix me up a chocolate martini when you go get your rasberry smirnoff. thanks babe.

[existone]

miller chill, lime flavor BAN IT. coconut rum, BAN IT. cotton candy panties, BAN IT.

Surprisingly enough I agree with 3/4 of your suggestions haha. Miller, not a fan, coconut rum *shivers* makes me wanna yack at the first smell, and who has needed cotton candy panties since they came out with edible body paint?! :twisted: Anyway, the first ciggarettes I ever smoked were Camels. Joe Camel was just too cool for me to resist! :roll: