Camel snus has at least 2 carcinogens...

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  • darkwing
    Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 415

    #1

    Camel snus has at least 2 carcinogens...

    On jointogether.org site:

    R.J. Reynolds' 'Camel Snus' Faces Criticism
    November 26, 2008


    As R.J. Reynolds prepares a national marketing campaign for the company's new smokeless-tobacco product, dubbed 'Camel Snus,' public-health experts say that not enough is known about the possible harmful effects of products being positioned as an alternative to smoking, the Washington Post reported Nov. 23.

    Snus is a tea bag-like pouch of steam-pasteurized smokeless tobacco that consumers can tuck between their cheek and gum to deliver a hit of nicotine. R.J. Reynolds plans to launch the marketing campaign for Camel Snus early next year, and at least two other U.S. tobacco companies are test-marketing snus.

    But Dorothy Hatsukami, director of the Tobacco Use Research Center at the University of Minnesota, said information about nicotine absorption and toxicity for tobacco products is lacking, and that there is not enough data on snus to make per-dose comparisons to cigarettes or spit tobacco.

    "I think we're all holding our breath in terms of what's going to be coming down the pike," Hatsukami said. "There's not much known about these products -- what's in these products, how they're going to be used, who's going to be using them and what the effects of that use will be … Will it create more harm or less harm?"

    Researchers at West Virginia University recently tested Camel Snus and found at least two carcinogens. "It's not like chewing gum. This product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes," said Robert Anderson, deputy director of West Virginia University's Prevention Research Center.

    Experts worry that Snus will be particularly attractive to children with its brightly colored tins and names like "frost" and "spice," and that adults will have a tough time monitoring children's use because the product is easy to conceal.

    R.J. Reynolds spokesperson Daniel Howard says that the company does not target underage users and expects the product to be most popular among adult males and snuff users.
  • Wallbanger
    Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 43

    #2
    There is such an awesome array of great sweedish snus already out there that already has the relevant research to prove it's safety.

    Why oh why did they just not start marketing this in america rather than trying to make an Amercan friendly version that has unknowns in it and may do more damage than good???

    I think General is doing things the correct way by marketing the actual general that is already in sweden and adding a couple of new flavours.

    Thats my understanding and take on things as a relative new user to snus, if i am wrong in my line of thought correct me on this.

    Cheers Lee.

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    • Kvlt
      Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 197

      #3
      General is selling snus on the American market now?

      I don't see the advantage of buying any tobacco product inside the USA. Prices are horrible. Main reason why I quit smoking and use snus now.

      I do like snus more, but I also love the price of buying it directly from Sweden.

      I really hope the government doesn't start regulating snus.

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      • Wallbanger
        Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 43

        #4
        Yup General is being marketed in a big way over in America at the minute, i don't believe from what i have heard that the price is too bad either.

        Is America still trying to change the law over there so you cannot import tobaco? If they do that then you may be glad you can get General over there Im not sure how your legal system works but thats something i remember reading about. Trying to stop personal imports of tobaco and gave supporting terrorism as a reason lmao.

        They are trying to take a portion of the smokers market as cigarettes become harder to enjoy anywhere and taxed even more heavily, here is the website for americans, they were giving free samples http://www.generalsnus.com/ They have actually developed 2 brand new flavours for the American market, Mini Mint and Wintergreen Portion these are not being sold in sweden and europe at the minute although you can get them from the northeners US warehouse shipped pretty much anywhere.

        Cheers Lee.

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        • sgreger1
          Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 9451

          #5
          Originally posted by Kvlt
          General is selling snus on the American market now?

          I don't see the advantage of buying any tobacco product inside the USA. Prices are horrible. Main reason why I quit smoking and use snus now.

          I do like snus more, but I also love the price of buying it directly from Sweden.

          I really hope the government doesn't start regulating snus.

          Yah I agree, I say we all make a unanymous effort to not buy any snus products in america so they will think theres no money to be made, because as soon as it gets big here its over, well be paying 8$ a can for SNUS and I will not be able to enjoy it any longer.

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          • Wallbanger
            Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 43

            #6
            But i thought America was trying to ban all personal imports of tobacco and gave the reason as terrorist support lol, the dodgy reason aside if this happens then you will have to rely on American suppliers.

            I wish there were local tobaconists here that sold snus that i could support and buy from but i don't even get that choice here in the UK as firstly Snus is banned in the UK and most of europe and the second reason that many of englands tobaconists have long gone out of business.

            Maybe somebody could spread some light on the American import ban situation as i have only heard 2nd hand info, maybe i am wrong?

            Lee.

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            • Messiah
              Member
              • Feb 2009
              • 87

              #7
              umm, there are carcinogens in swedish snus too.

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              • rickcharles606
                Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 2307

                #8
                Originally posted by Messiah
                umm, there are carcinogens in swedish snus too.
                While your statement is true Messiah, let's not mislead anyone. The TSNA levels in real Swedish snus are far lower than in other forms of tobacco processed for human consumption/use. Would you agree with that??

                EDIT: Swedish snus is not and has not been marketed as a harm free product, but rather a reduced harm product that is far better than smoking and American dip.

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                • Wallbanger
                  Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 43

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Messiah
                  umm, there are carcinogens in swedish snus too.
                  Yup but they are so low they do hardly any harm whatsoever, in fact at first upon joining the EU as far as i can remember reading they were forced to put may cause mouth cancer stickers on the tins but then they proved that Snus does not cause mouth cancer and were allowed to remove the labels.

                  As for the pancreatic cancer, anything that contains nicotine as far as i am aware will cause that but it's half as likely as cigarettes and i think the figures were something like without Snus a 4 in 10,000 chance and with using Snus a 8 in 10,000 chance, i would have to check those but i do remember the figures being so small with hardly any significance whatsoever.

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                  • ODurren
                    Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 66

                    #10
                    I think we can all agree on one thing, the fact remains that as far as anyone is concerned any tobacco product is potentially harmful in one way shape or another.

                    What I truly wonder is, as small of an amount it is, What do you think your daily percentage intake of Salt is?

                    *50 years later* "Well ODurren you have no oral cancer or whatever, even though you swear upon a bible your eating habit is healthy, still your cholesterol is through the roof!!!"

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                    • Wallbanger
                      Member
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 43

                      #11
                      LOL very good point, i do wonder how much salt we actually are ingesting lol, can't be good for the Blood Pressure hehe still theres normally signs of high blood pressure or if not it's picked up at your next visit to the docs and id rather high blood pressure than the Big C anyday

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                      • Messiah
                        Member
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 87

                        #12
                        Originally posted by rickcharles606
                        Originally posted by Messiah
                        umm, there are carcinogens in swedish snus too.
                        While your statement is true Messiah, let's not mislead anyone. The TSNA levels in real Swedish snus are far lower than in other forms of tobacco processed for human consumption/use. Would you agree with that??

                        EDIT: Swedish snus is not and has not been marketed as a harm free product, but rather a reduced harm product that is far better than smoking and American dip.
                        I am less misleading than the title of this thread. To say that there are at least 2 carcinogens in camel snus, makes it sound like there are none or just 1 in other brands, which I do not believe to be true.

                        This study also says nothing about the levels.

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                        • justintempler
                          Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 3090

                          #13
                          http://www.reason.com/news/show/32261.html

                          ...
                          Of course. almost all the world is natural chemicals, so it really makes you rethink everything. A cup of coffee is filled with chemicals. They've identified a thousand chemicals in a cup of coffee. But we only found 22 that have been tested in animal cancer tests out of this thousand. And of those, 17 are carcinogens. There are 10 milligrams of known carcinogens in a cup of coffee and that's more carcinogens than you're likely to get from pesticide residues for a year! ....
                          Camel 2
                          Coffee 17

                          Time for the anti-tobacco crowd to ban coffee. 8)

                          Ban coffee..........it's for the children. :twisted:

                          /sarcasm off

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                          • Snusages
                            Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 32

                            #14
                            Originally posted by justintempler
                            http://www.reason.com/news/show/32261.html

                            Camel 2
                            Coffee 17

                            Time for the anti-tobacco crowd to ban coffee. 8)

                            Ban coffee..........it's for the children. :twisted:

                            /sarcasm off
                            They take away whatever is easiest, which is usually determined solely by numbers. Hard drugs like cocaine and heroin are illegal because only small amounts of people do them (or admit to it.) Marijuana is slightly more legal because many people use it on a regular basis. Tobacco is still legal because there is a huge portion of the population actively using it. As for coffee, a pretty good majority use it, so no bothers to attack it. Once tobacco is fully banned and gone, coffee will be in for one hell of a ride. Energy drinks are already being targeted harshly, so it isn't too far away. Scary, but we won't be able to purchase anything even remotely mind or body-altering (besides "their" drugs) soon enough. I can't imagine why prescription drugs are so popular...YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING ELSE!

                            So much for my first post. Too political, I know, but it had to be done.

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                            • rickcharles606
                              Member
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 2307

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Messiah
                              Originally posted by rickcharles606
                              Originally posted by Messiah
                              umm, there are carcinogens in swedish snus too.
                              While your statement is true Messiah, let's not mislead anyone. The TSNA levels in real Swedish snus are far lower than in other forms of tobacco processed for human consumption/use. Would you agree with that??

                              EDIT: Swedish snus is not and has not been marketed as a harm free product, but rather a reduced harm product that is far better than smoking and American dip.
                              I am less misleading than the title of this thread. To say that there are at least 2 carcinogens in camel snus, makes it sound like there are none or just 1 in other brands, which I do not believe to be true.

                              This study also says nothing about the levels.
                              Noted.....LMAO

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