Camel snus has at least 2 carcinogens...

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  • elmos
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    • May 2009
    • 84

    #16
    Money

    I think the bottom line is money. Governments make big money off of cigarettes. At the tobacco hearings, I believe one of the company heads said if the product was so dangerous then ban it . There was no ban. Instead the lawyers became richer. The senators came off looking wiser. The taxes went up. You can, I believe, buy nasal snuff in england. It carries the same warning. May be harmful to health and is addictive. So was my forty nine year cigarette habit until snus came along. I frankly believe it saved my life. Anything can be abused. In this country it seems like non smokers like to tell smokers they will die young even though they are a hundred pounds overweight. You would think the government would be glad people use smokeless. For some like myself, the patches, the gum, etc, DID NOT WORK. My snussing affects no one but me. There is no second hand snuss. We are treated like children or stupid. If you investigate the product and don't want to do it, thats your right. Anybody can go on this site and get all the info they need. I like swedish snuss because I feel the product is well regulated. If our gov wants to do something make products here the same. When my brother was in hospise with lung cancer, I went outside and all the docs and nurses were out there sucking down cigs. I hope one day its my vote that counts who gets in and who does not. I am sick of government regs on everything.
    They want to ban overseas tobacco for personnal use because they want more money. Sorry about the rant. I am old and tired and need a priss.
    I know, lets all move to sweden.

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    • CM
      Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 329

      #17
      Funny how they dont want dip out of markets. (I dont know much about them)

      Because I've seen a can called Skoal apple(?) with a green can. NOT attractive to children, eh? specially with the word APPLE.
      Well, snus is easier to target with a excuse called "children".

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      • deebocools
        Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 661

        #18
        You don't have to jump down the throat of anyone who says anything negative about snus. The harm reduction argument is strong enough, without the "snus is touched by god" arguments.

        I honestly don't see much danger with snus being marketed in the U.S.A. because of the average citizens ignorance of the products. It's in the same category as all smokeless tobacco(as it should be), and it's demonstrated to be less harmful in many significant ways. because of how it's used and being marketed, people will just see it as "safer kind of dip... from sweden" and the only way it will be taxed into oblivion is if all smokeless tobacco is likewise taxed into obvlivion.

        While it's catching on, there's enough time for all of us to push the harm reduction argument and eventually win.

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        • Lucky Striker
          Member
          • May 2009
          • 280

          #19
          ALL tobacco, whether it be snus, dip, chaw, cigarettes, and cigars has at least four different carcinogens inherent to its chemical makeup. There's no way around it, if you use tobacco you're exposing yourself to carcinogens, just like when you drink water, coffee, soda or breath air that automobiles have excreted their carbon deposits into.

          The OP I think is under the impression that Camel snus contains carcinogens whereas Swedish snus doesn't. He's wrong. ALL snus contains carcinogens, but you can't argue that one contains more than the other because as far as I'm aware there is no study that shows the amount of TSNA's in US Camel snus. The lab that did the work cited in the original post missed the "other two" carcinogens in Camel, so their work is laughably disposable. I have an image in my head of two university grad students holding a Camel pouch with forceps, scratching their heads and going "Well, it's definitely not chewing gum, that's for sure!"

          Just for clarification, the article cited is from November of last year, so the Camel snus that they cite in the article is not the same Camel snus that we have on the shelves now. Someone with some sense needs to buy a tin off the shelf and analyze what's in it just so stupid articles like this quit making the rounds.

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          • snusjus
            Member
            • Jun 2008
            • 2674

            #20
            I saw a chart that showed Camel snus (USA) having 0.7 TSNA ppm. Most Swedish snus is in this range. In matter of fact, Camel Snus (USA) is manufactured in Sweden by the company that manufactured Roots snus.

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            • justintempler
              Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 3090

              #21
              Originally posted by snusjus
              Camel Snus (USA) is manufactured in Sweden
              Not any more, it's made in the states now.

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              • Messiah
                Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 87

                #22
                Is it not less about where it is made, and more about the curing process?

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                • rscott222
                  Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 346

                  #23
                  Pretty soon there will be a fat tax.

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                  • rickcharles606
                    Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 2307

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Messiah
                    Is it not less about where it is made, and more about the curing process?
                    yes. I know that Camel claims to use a pasturization process, but they don't disclose what that process is. So who knows, and since our government doesn't make the tobacco companies disclose that info, we'll probably never know.

                    I'll stick to the Swedish variety thank you...lol

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