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  • spirit72
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    • Apr 2008
    • 1013

    Nicotine and Insulin

    Found an interesting article on nicotine and its effect on insulin production and insulin resistance. I stumbled on this while looking for some info about some symptoms I've been having over the past year that basically resemble hypoglycemia(although my blood glucose has always tested normal at yearly checkups), as well as a few other weird things. I threw nicotine into the search, because I found that almost invariably, I began feeling like I had low blood sugar quickly after using snus. Sometimes, say 2 or 3 hours out from a meal, it could become pretty acute. I noticed that I was getting very intense hunger pangs that should not have been getting at that point, and also that they were only satisfied by eating or drinking sugary carbs.

    Basically, what I've found out is that nicotine seems to stimulate the production of cortisol(a stress hormone)which in turn promotes insulin resistance--this is a condition in which your body's cells become less sensitive to insulin, which induces your pancreas to produce an overload of insulin. This overload of insulin makes your brain say, "Oh Shit, Low Sugar", and flips the 'Eat Sugar Now' switch. And then most of the carbs you eat at that point get stored, causing weight gain, and even inability to lose weight despite dieting and exercise. The really neat thing about insulin resistance is that it contributes to Type II Diabetes.

    So I saw an opportunity to use myself as a guinea pig here. I decided to discontinue Swedish Snus as of Wednesday night, and have not had snus since that time. I have, however, continued to use nasal snuff at my normal rate of consumption which is about 1-2 grams per day.

    What I've noticed in just over 48 hours is that all systems appeared to return to normal. No abnormal hunger pangs. No hypoglycemic symptoms. Completely normal hunger drive, with no preference at all for sugary carbohydrates. The scale also shows me 4 pounds lighter as of this morning.

    I am going to continue this for the next week or two, and then return to my normal snus usage and see what happens then. Should be interesting.

    Here's one of the articles I found. If you like, googling 'Nicotine and Insulin' produces pretty good results. Also on Wikipedia, I read articles on 'Hyperinsulinemia", 'Reactive Hypoglycemia' and Insulin Resistance that were also helpful:

    http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/553252/

    "Newswise — Researchers have discovered a reason why smoking greatly increases the risk of heart disease and stroke. Nicotine promotes insulin resistance, also called prediabetes, which is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease, according to the new study, which was presented at The Endocrine Society's 91st Annual Meeting in Washington, D.C.

    Additionally, the study authors were able to partially reverse this harmful effect of nicotine in mice by treating them with the nicotine antagonist mecamylamine, a drug that blunts the action of nicotine.

    The study, which the National Institutes of Health funded, was conducted by researchers at Charles Drew University of Medicine and Science in Los Angeles and Western University of Health Sciences in Pomona, Calif.

    Their results may explain why cigarette smokers have a high cardiovascular death rate, even though "smoking causes weight loss, which should protect against heart disease," said the study's lead author, Theodore Friedman, MD, PhD, chief of the endocrinology division at Charles Drew University.

    Prediabetes and diabetes are known risk factors for cardiovascular disease. Past studies show that cigarette smokers tend to be insulin resistant, meaning that their hormone insulin does not work properly. To compensate, their blood glucose (sugar) levels become higher than normal but not yet high enough for diabetes. Smokers also have higher rates of diabetes, but it is not clear whether smoking is the cause, because they could have other risk factors, Friedman explained.

    Some studies demonstrate that nicotine and cigarette smoking induce high levels of the stress hormone cortisol. "As cortisol excess is known to induce insulin resistance, it has been suggested that glucocorticoids, such as cortisol, are the missing [causative] link between cigarette smoking and insulin resistance," Friedman said.

    The new study results suggest this theory is correct, he said. The researchers studied the effects, on 24 adult mice, of twice-daily injections of nicotine for 2 weeks. The mice ate less food than control mice that received injections without nicotine, and they also lost weight and had less fat. Despite this, the mice receiving nicotine developed prediabetes (insulin resistance), which subsequent mecamylamine treatment improved somewhat. These mice also had high cortisol levels in their blood and tissues, and mecamylamine blocked this effect.

    "Our results suggest that reducing tissue glucocorticoid levels or decreasing insulin resistance may reduce the heart disease seen in smokers," Friedman said. "We anticipate that in the future there will be drugs to specifically block the effect of nicotine on glucocorticoids and insulin resistance."

    Currently available nicotine antagonists are not specific enough to completely block nicotine's effects or they have bothersome side effects, so better drugs are needed for this purpose, he said."
  • CoderGuy
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    • Jul 2009
    • 2679

    #2
    You're just trying to get everyone to give you all their snus, for the sake of better health. Sly, very sly. I am already Type II diabetic (probably from smoking 2 packs a day for 26 years) so my meds will help battle the effects of snusing.

    Interesting information though, thanks.

    CG

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    • spirit72
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      • Apr 2008
      • 1013

      #3
      Originally posted by CoderGuy View Post
      You're just trying to get everyone to give you all their snus, for the sake of better health. Sly, very sly.

      CG
      Actually, if what happens when I start back up again is what I think will happen, it'll be the opposite. I'll be putting my stash up for sale.

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      • sgreger1
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        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #4
        Wow that's very interesting Spirit. The odd thing is that for me, I get the exact opposite, I feel like since I started snusing, it has made me want to eat less, and at time I can't tell the difference between my body asking for food or nicotene. Also, i almost never eat sugar or anything sweet.

        If what you are saying is true, than I should watch it on the snus because I have diabetes in my family. Do we have any diabetic members here? If so, how do you feel snus affects your insulin regiment?

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        • PipenSnus
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          • Apr 2010
          • 1038

          #5
          I'm a Type II diabetic, diagnosed over a decade ago. It's my understanding that before smoking, weight, etc., can be risk factors for diabetes, you have to have the genetic predisposition first. If you don't have the gene, none of the rest matters. But I could be wrong.

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          • CoderGuy
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            • Jul 2009
            • 2679

            #6
            As I said I am Type II and I also notice the more I snus the less hungry I am. I check my glucose regularly and there is no difference whether I am snusing or not snusing, actually my glucose is higher in the morning than at night, the only difference is in the morning I have gone 7 hours without snus. So maybe for me it's also opposite, snus makes me healthier (I know it makes me happier).

            CG

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            • spirit72
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              • Apr 2008
              • 1013

              #7
              Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
              Wow that's very interesting Spirit. The odd thing is that for me, I get the exact opposite, I feel like since I started snusing, it has made me want to eat less, and at time I can't tell the difference between my body asking for food or nicotene. Also, i almost never eat sugar or anything sweet.

              If what you are saying is true, than I should watch it on the snus because I have diabetes in my family. Do we have any diabetic members here? If so, how do you feel snus affects your insulin regiment?
              Well, maybe you should and maybe you shouldn't. Diabetes does seem to have a strong genetic component. My mother has been borderline for awhile, but not to the point where she needs to use meds or check her sugar daily. She just has to watch her dietary sugar. My grandfather had Type 2, but it was exacerbated greatly by alcoholism.

              I want to be careful here, because I have not consulted my MD about this yet, and it seems like the processes and interactions aren't completely understood yet--the article I posted, for example, is from just last summer. So my post shouldn't be taken as being anything more than anecdotal evidence from one person, even if it seems to be confirmed from at least one study. But it does seem, at least in my case, that nicotine does tend to wreak some degree of havoc with the control of blood glucose.

              I will definitely keep you guys posted.

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              • CoderGuy
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                • Jul 2009
                • 2679

                #8
                Originally posted by PipenSnus View Post
                Try having a small snack before bed, say, half a sandwich. Your glucose will be lower than usual the next morning. Doctors & nutritionists don't know why it works, but it does.
                Interesting Pipen, I will try that and see, thanks!

                CG

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                • PipenSnus
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                  • Apr 2010
                  • 1038

                  #9
                  Originally posted by CoderGuy View Post
                  As I said I am Type II and I also notice the more I snus the less hungry I am. I check my glucose regularly and there is no difference whether I am snusing or not snusing, actually my glucose is higher in the morning than at night, the only difference is in the morning I have gone 7 hours without snus. So maybe for me it's also opposite, snus makes me healthier (I know it makes me happier).
                  Try having a small snack at bedtime, like half a sandwich. Your glucose will be lower than usual the next morning. Doctors & nutritionists don't know why it works, but it does.

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                  • sgreger1
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                    • Mar 2009
                    • 9451

                    #10
                    Originally posted by spirit72 View Post
                    Well, maybe you should and maybe you shouldn't. Diabetes does seem to have a strong genetic component. My mother has been borderline for awhile, but not to the point where she needs to use meds or check her sugar daily. She just has to watch her dietary sugar. My grandfather had Type 2, but it was exacerbated greatly by alcoholism.

                    I want to be careful here, because I have not consulted my MD about this yet, and it seems like the processes and interactions aren't completely understood yet--the article I posted, for example, is from just last summer. So my post shouldn't be taken as being anything more than anecdotal evidence from one person, even if it seems to be confirmed from at least one study. But it does seem, at least in my case, that nicotine does tend to wreak some degree of havoc with the control of blood glucose.

                    I will definitely keep you guys posted.

                    I'm not sure if I count for the genetic angle. Only 1 person in my family had diabetes, and it was my grandma (mothers side) who had type 2 diabetes late in life because she was on so many meds, smoked, and didn't eat right. Then, she never managed her insulin properly so she eventually died after a nervous breakdown, in which she began hallucinating and reciting bible versus as well as thinking everyone was poisoning her with the flowers we brought to the hospital.

                    So not sure if it's really "in my genes" but at least one person had it, though it seemed to be as a direct result of her health decisions.

                    Truthfully, I am not on board that snus is as "not harmful" as is sometimes advertised here. Compared to smoking of course it is miles behind, but I suspect that snus has some effect, I mean taking that much nicotine in over the years cannot go unnoticed by the body. But again, harm reduction (though I never smoked before lol).

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                    • PipenSnus
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                      • Apr 2010
                      • 1038

                      #11
                      I didn't give much credence to the genetic angle either, in the beginning. I only had one cousin who was diagnosed before I was. But then my dad and a couple of my uncles were diagnosed, too. I don't know why it strikes some people earlier in life than others, and I don't think the doctors know, either. As spirit72 said, there are still a lot of things about diabetes that are not yet understood.

                      I agree that snus is probably not completely harmless. But I'll take the word of the UK Royal College of Physicians, who say snus is 90 to 95% less harmful than cigarettes.

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                      • spirit72
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                        • Apr 2008
                        • 1013

                        #12
                        Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                        Truthfully, I am not on board that snus is as "not harmful" as is sometimes advertised here. Compared to smoking of course it is miles behind, but I suspect that snus has some effect, I mean taking that much nicotine in over the years cannot go unnoticed by the body. But again, harm reduction (though I never smoked before lol).
                        Oh I concur with that, absolutely. Harm Reduction is not Harm Elimination, and it also doesn't cover the things we just don't know about yet. I don't think this is something people need to be alarmed about, but certainly something to be aware of if one begins noticing these types of symptoms. I suspect it won't be true across all individuals, because nothing ever is. But there is probably a subset of individuals for whom this will be a concern, of which I am one.

                        I love my snus, it got me away from smoking and has kept me away for over 2 years now. But if I gotta let it go, that's what I'm gonna have to do. I find it odd, though, that I've been able to keep up the nasal snuff with no apparent ill effect. Must be much less nic in nasal snuff than I thought. I've been having some pretty solid withdrawal since canning the snus. Snuff takes the edge off of it enough to keep me sane, but it is definitely noticeable.

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                        • CoderGuy
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                          • Jul 2009
                          • 2679

                          #13
                          I also concur. Harm Reduction is definitely not Harm Elimination. My plan was to stock up before PACT (which I did) and quit when it runs out (which I will). I think it will be much easier to quit gradually with snus than it would have been without cigs. I might even switch to patches before fully quitting just to make the transition that much easier.

                          CG

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                          • GENERAL BILLY
                            Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 528

                            #14
                            Very interesting Spirit. I doubt it will lead me to quit snus but I definitely am curious about what you experience when you start back up, please keep us updated. Thanks

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                            • lxskllr
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                              • Sep 2007
                              • 13435

                              #15
                              Interesting stuff Spirit. The difference you're seeing between snuff and snus may just be the quantity. 1-2g of snuff is only 1-2 portions/prises. If you really felt like screwing with it, you could then drop the snuff, and use just a little bit of snus. There would be a difference though, as you'd be getting a larger amount of nicotine at once. If you're interested, WalMart sells a blood glucose tester for $20. The whole unit's disposable, and it comes with 20 test strips if I remember right. It looks like a film canister, and they sell it on the open rack here, as opposed to behind the counter. You could also get their Relion brand, which would give you a nicer tester, but you'd have to buy test strips at $20 per 50. I get the Relion stuff for my daughter, cause the name brands strips are way too expensive. It pisses me off actually. If WalMart can sell strips for $20, and Walgreens can sell them for $35, why the hell do the big brands cost $70? It's exploitation pure and simple. They give the doctors the test units to give out to patients(the cheap part of the equipment), and that gets the patients buying their overpriced strips. **** it insurance pays for it right? it's all FREE!! Yea, well insurance doesn't always cover it, and it shouldn't. Aside from the fact that insurance is a scam, they shouldn't pay for the usury rates of drug companies.

                              Well, sorry bout that :^P The real point of all that is you can get an accurate blood tester fairly cheaply. It might be worth you looking into. If you're pre diabetic, you might be able to handle it yourself without getting doctors involved. Earlier's better than later for getting it under control :^)

                              Edit:
                              Here's the cheapy set from WalMart. It's accurate, and doesn't require a large initial investment. It's feature poor, but gives you the info you need to know...

                              http://www.walmart.com/ip/All-in-One...ystem/10818578
                              It has 50 strips, not 20 as stated above.

                              Edit2:
                              You'll also want to get a finger pricker, about $10 I think.

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