Quitsnus.com - Live Better Stop Snus Now! LOL :)

[stubby2]

http://smokefreewisconsin.blogspot.c...ationwide.html

The truth is PMI knows that they can't stay in the cigarette market and maintain record margins of profits despite a major recession. They also know that cigarettes are not viewed as socially acceptable as they once were, thanks in large part to local, state, and national network of tobacco control activists. With their mainstay product falling from popularity Big Tobacco moves in for another kill- smokeless. Discreet little pouches with fun names like Snus and kid-friendly flavors like Frost. Let's be clear spit tobacco is no better for you than smoking. It is addictive, makes your teeth fall out and causes cancer. Maybe you won't die from lung cancer but losing half you jaw isn't too sexy either.

And to think I can walk from my front door to there headquarters.

[Langdell]

"Snus" really is a fun name! Where did those wacky tobacco companies ever come up with it? It's not like it's a centuries-old Swedish generic term or anything! Anyway, I'm indebted to Smoke Free Wisconsin because all this time I didn't know I was supposed to spit with snus. (I also wasn't aware that it made smoke.)

[snusgetter]

I put an article about it on Snubie.com, and linked to snus facts on my site as well. So anyone googles Quit Snus or whatever and finds articles about that site will find my rebuttle as well. It may get him more traffic, but at least there's something out there.

A Google search of Yavor Milchev also brings this up in the top listings:

1. Quitsnus.com - Live Better Stop Snus Now! LOL
   
   20 posts - 7 authors - Last post: 3 days ago
   Yavor Milchev 191 73rd Street Brooklyn, New York 11209. United States. How about we mail all of our empty tins with the new labels to this ...
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   8 posts - 4 authors - Last post: 20 hours ago
   We be makin' Yavor more famous. Yes? (from FACEBOOK) Yavor Milchev Director of SEO at Web Response Media Brooklyn, NY Yavor googled ...
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Chad, your post shows up at number 2 above.

[Frosted]

What kind of self righteous good living pleasure forbidding c**ts put up websites like this.
They haven't a clue that when you give up nicotine you crave it for the rest of your life.
Anyhow - I had a cigar tonight and I tell ya - it was f**king glorious. My body told me big time that it was good. My mind told me big time that it was good. Therefore I will have another.

Stress is a very big killer - a bigger killer than tobacco. The guy that runs that site will be dead from uptightness when he's 60.

I live by the saying 'a little of what you fancy does you good'.

[sorryguys=)]

Hi everyone. I'm Yavor, the creator of the site. First of all, you are all right =) There was nothing true on the site because I had just purchased the domain and put up information which I found on another website. Yes, I didn't put any effort in checking the information because I never intended this initial version to appear anywhere in search engines. So anyway... all that is gone which I am sure is not going to make you any happier =) The new placeholder which I put up is only facts, no personal opinion whatsoever. I haven't decided what the purpose of this site will be and it certainly wasn't made with some "master plan" about stopping snus. I liked the domain which is the only reason I bought it.
So... I had lots of fun reading all you creative comments and will continue to check them out =)
Feel free to mail me all kinds of nasty crap too. I'll post pictures on the site as soon as I get anything!

[GoVegan]

Hi everyone. I'm Yavor, the creator of the site. First of all, you are all right =) There was nothing true on the site because I had just purchased the domain and put up information which I found on another website. Yes, I didn't put any effort in checking the information because I never intended this initial version to appear anywhere in search engines. So anyway... all that is gone which I am sure is not going to make you any happier =) The new placeholder which I put up is only facts, no personal opinion whatsoever. I haven't decided what the purpose of this site will be and it certainly wasn't made with some "master plan" about stopping snus. I liked the domain which is the only reason I bought it.
So... I had lots of fun reading all you creative comments and will continue to check them out =)
Feel free to mail me all kinds of nasty crap too. I'll post pictures on the site as soon as I get anything!

Hi Yavor, I am glad you took the time to reply in our forum. I looked at the new website and loved the dysfunctional family. I, like many other people on here, use snus as a "safer" alternative to smoking. I would welcome any facts that you can find out about snus, be it good or bad. Anyway, welcome to the forum and I hope that you will stick around for a while.

[chadizzy1]

The new placeholder which I put up is only facts, no personal opinion whatsoever.

Facts? I don't know where you got them, but your information is outright lies and fallacy.

From QuitSnus.com

"The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 40–60 mg (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans"
I hope you're not suggesting the ludicrous argument that anyone would consume 60mg of nicotine at one time.

"Maybe it's completely harmless but we don't know."
Right, okay, got it. Let's throw out all the studies that have been done, especially ones that prompted the EU to remove the cancer warnings from the snus cans. I forgot that absolutely no studies have ever been done to prove how much safer snus is than cigarettes. Is it harmless? It's addictive, which is an "unnatural state", as some have noted. But as far as causing negative effects to the human body - no, studies have proven otherwise.

"...one risk remained - usage by children. Unlike cigarettes, snus is very hard to regulate in schools. Teachers can't see smoke and it may seem like children are just chewing a piece of gum."

Your website went from mindless information and invalid facts to a new strawman argument which chief topic is that snus can't be regulated in schools and nicotine has negative effects on children? What are you going to say next? Snus, when consumed by Aliens from the Planet X, can cause aggravated sexual habits? Or how about when snus is left unattended it can grow arms and legs and attack rabbits and other furry, cute woodland creatures? Oh wait, I know what it is - When snus is sent through the Stargate it comes back as the reincarnated form of Ted Kennedy. Oh, okay. Got it. Good facts, man.

"The Alliance finds that advocating “tobacco harm reduction” is neither an acceptable nor ethical public health practice. “Tobacco harm reduction” is the notion that use of a less deadly form of tobacco is acceptable for adults and children."

In the Harm Reduction Journal, Dr. Carl Phillips noted the following. "It has long been known that while no nicotine product is completely harmless, harm reduction products pose only about 1% the risk from smoking," says Dr. Phillips, "and this difference is so great that for the average smoker, using a smokeless product for the rest of his life poses about the same risk as 30 days of continuing to smoke." Given the ample evidence about the risks of different products, "there is no scientific basis for denying the benefits of tobacco harm reduction" says Phillips, "and it is time that we offer smokers honest public health interventions rather than the moralizing and deadly 'abstinence-only' approach."

From a USA Today article on snus, "For a smoker, quitting all tobacco use is best, but failing that, switching to snus is a good idea," said Dr. Peter Hajek, professor of clinical psychology at Queen Mary University Hospital in London.

From Dr. Brad Rodu's Tobacco Truth Blog: "Researchers at the Karolinska Institute of Environmental Medicine in Stockholm have just released a new study of tobacco use and MS, which was published in the September 1 issue of the journal Neurology. They compared tobacco use among persons diagnosed with MS (cases) with a group of controls derived from the Swedish population. This experimental design, called a population-based case-control study, is common in epidemiology....." "In contrast to smoking, the study found that snus users had lower risks for MS than nonusers of tobacco."

"* Snus is potentially a gateway to cigarette smoking for children."

The "dual user" message or "gateway" message is a false statement and a half truth. Did you know that in Sweden 3% or less of men are "dual users", meaning daily dual users? 50% of current snus users are ex smokers. What does that tell us? Snus is not a gateway, it's a backdoor and a way out. People quit smoking with snus, and are not commonly known as dual users. The nicotine delivery of snus naturally is more consistent than cigarettes which takes away the cravings for cigarettes. People who DO use snus and smoke naturally smoke less which is lowering their harm and risk more than a full time smoker - and it's been observed that people who use snus more than likely will quit smoking with the help of snus.

In closing....

Your unfounded claims are the exact type of claims used by the anti-tobacco group who are working against the better interest of public health. There are 45MM Americans who are addicted to cigarettes that can't quit by traditional means. Roughly 90% of people who try the patch or gum will fail to quit smoking on the first attempt. The majority of those will not try to quit again with those methods. The harm reduction movement helps people find a way out and use a product that is 98% safer than smoking. Do you want to continue to demonize snus and doom these people to failure and an early cancer-ridden death? People like you are the reason I do what I do, and why I preach so much about snus. It's why I will continue to do what I do.

[sorryguys=)]

Thanks for the note GoVegan!

chadizzy1, as I said, I'm sure this is not going to make you any happier. There's a link next to each citation if you want to check out the full sources.

[GoVegan]

Just curious sorryguys - how did you get involved in the snus debate? Are you an ex smoker?

[rickcharles606]

Thanks for the note GoVegan!

chadizzy1, as I said, I'm sure this is not going to make you any happier. There's a link next to each citation if you want to check out the full sources.

You realize that while you may have "sources"....there are actual facts, clinical studies showing snus to be less harmful than smoking, and indeed a better alternative than other forms of tobacco use. Have you bothered to check the facts supporting the use of snus? Doubtful, because it doesn't play into your anti-tobacco agenda. In my opinion, you are a petty human, have you nothing better to do to enrich your own life? I'm merely saying, let adults decide for themselves...we don't need you to "uncover" some hidden truth, as the information about snus is readily available to all.

Oh, that's right...you're trying to save the children. Well if that's your true goal, then why not speak on the horrors of smoking cigarettes. EVERYONE knows that's a killer, but everyday someone starts smoking for the first time. Take on the obesity epidemic in this nation. I'm just saying that harm reduction can and will save this country untold billions in healthcare in the future.

I know this, Swedish snus enabled me to quit a 20yr smoking habit that was going to kill me. My doctor says my lungs are perfect now, and I feel great. Why should you or anyone else stand in the way of a smoker that want's to try Swedish snus to get off of cigarettes? I'm amazed at people that feel as if they know better than anyone else.

[Randall]

Dude doesn't care about facts. Or snus. 'Snus' is a popular search term. He's looking to earn money from a 'snus' site. IMO.

[snusgetter]

Dude doesn't care about facts. Or snus. 'Snus' is a popular search term. He's looking to earn money from a 'snus' site. IMO.

Curious to see how many paid ads he gets!!

Don't think there are many 'save the children' or
anti-tobacco outfits that will pay to get their messages
out. 'Public Service' is the key to free PR.

[sorryguys=)]

Yes, ex-smoker

I used to smoke a lot before. I stopped smoking cold turkey.
I'm not the kind of person who's going to tell people they should stop smoking etc. It's a personal choice and I don't believe people should do it because everyone else is doing it. Plus, it doesn't work if that's the only motivation they have.

As for seeing that many people search for snus... no they don't =) Maybe they will in the future. The reason why I got into this is because I believe snus will become very popular in the future. With so many benefits it should easily displace cigarettes. A website for quitting snus will be valuable to many people if that happens. It's not valuable now because snus is not that popular, because there isn't enough information to support any claims which may deem it really bad for your health and there aren't enough people who can share an actual experience of quitting snus.

P.S. I do get cravings from time to time (6 years after stopping) but after so much time cigarettes don't taste the same. If I tried snus I'm sure I'd like it as well =D

[Premium Parrots]

....... I'm not the kind of person who's going to tell people they should stop smoking etc. Its a personal choice.........

but you are the type of person that will tell us to stop using snus?


stop the double talk.


off with his head!!

[sorryguys=)]

Funny guy... here's a video for you http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1907543