I never realized...

[snusgetter]

It wasn't a link to an article; I just did some searching on the web and came across several people who experienced the same thing as I did, and it turned out to be a problem mixing high caffeine and nicotine. It probably wouldn't affect everyone, but I've always had a low tolerance to nicotine anyway, so I suspect this as the problem. It could be that the nicotine/caffeine mixture was too much for my system, which gave me symptoms of "withdrawal" as it came down. Since I've never had nicotine withdrawal, I could have easily mistaken this for something else.

As I said, I'll test it again in a few weeks and see.

You'd better stay away from Northerner BOOST, then!!

Aside from 6 Mg nicotine each portion contains

Taurine 50 Mg
Caffeine 20 Mg (a cup Of Coffee Contains 60 To 80 Mg)
Guarana

For you, this might be like a rocket launch!!

[Anthony85]

You'd better stay away from Northerner BOOST, then!!

Aside from 6 Mg nicotine each portion contains

Taurine 50 Mg
Caffeine 20 Mg (a cup Of Coffee Contains 60 To 80 Mg)
Guarana

For you, this might be like a rocket launch!!

A rocket launch straight into the sprawling nuclear chaos of the regions between time and space. And then an early grave.

[snusgetter]

A rocket launch straight into the sprawling nuclear chaos of the regions between time and space. And then an early grave.

It all boils down to:
Life's too short ... just pick your poison and go about it in moderation!!

[GoVegan]

I don't think you're physically addicted at this point, I think you really wanted snus. It takes longer than that to build up a physical addiction. Me and a friend could smoke a carton of cigarettes between us over a weekend, and drop them for months at a time, no problem. It took a sustained period of smoking before I was actually hooked.

For some reason, smoking a carton of cigs with a friend over a weekend sounds like fun!

[jagmanss]

Yes, I know. I use nasal snuff because I can use it without becoming addicted, and it's enjoyable. Right up there with a good glass of bourbon. As with anything, moderation is key. When it starts to become a problem, I simply put it away for a few days or a week, and all is well.

I'm understanding that snus is more addictive, and it appears that I can't use it in moderation without physical addiction, so I simply won't use it. At least not this particular snus, since it's not enjoyable.

If I do find myself becoming addicted when exploring different tobacco products outside of snuff, I simply "detox" from it and change my behavior in the future. It's not like it destroys the will; we have control over our own actions, after all.

Thanks for your concern; I know a lot of people have trouble when it comes to these things, but I'm not going to let myself become addicted to anything. It's no longer pleasurable when it's just feeding an addiction, which defeats the purpose.

Clearly you know nothing about nicotine addiction.. First there is nothing simple about detoxing from it ... This is called nicotine withdrawl not detoxing.. 2nd nicotine does detroy your will over time, it changes your brain chemistry... As far as you not letting yourself become addicted, With nicotine you really don't have a choice, At some point you will become addicted. You can say all you want I won't become addicted... So did i 38 yrs ago... Sure it might be pleasurable now, But that is what Nicotine addiction does, It 1st traps you into beleiving it is pleasruable... your analogy comparing Nicotine to being Right up there with a good glass of bourbon. As with anything, moderation is key is comparing apples to oranges and is not the same.. Sorry But it is what it is... Nicotine in any form was never meant to be pleasurable.. it is meant to get you hooked and addicted.. period

Your reply to me sounded like you are becoming very offensive and really sounded familar of somone who posted as recently as a month ago about wanting to get a buzz from snus and wanting to experiment with different tobacco products to get the buzz and even used the exact same analogy as you and as a matter of fact the exact same wording...

I'm not concerned for you.. Just letting you know the facts.. You have free will to do what you want... Trying using it to stop will be the problem... So answer this... what is your purpose in trying differnt tobacco products? Because feeding the addiction is it's only purpose. The so called pleasure you think your getting from it is an illusion and meant to trap you into addiction... Fact

[Simplysnus]

Clearly you know nothing about nicotine addiction.. First there is nothing simple about detoxing from it ... This is called nicotine withdrawl not detoxing.. 2nd nicotine does detroy your will over time, it changes your brain chemistry... As far as you not letting yourself become addicted, With nicotine you really don't have a choice, At some point you will become addicted. You can say all you want I won't become addicted... So did i 38 yrs ago... Sure it might be pleasurable now, But that is what Nicotine addiction does, It 1st traps you into beleiving it is pleasruable... your analogy comparing Nicotine to being Right up there with a good glass of bourbon. As with anything, moderation is key is comparing apples to oranges and is not the same.. Sorry But it is what it is... Nicotine in any form was never meant to be pleasurable.. it is meant to get you hooked and addicted.. period

Your reply to me sounded like you are becoming very offensive and really sounded familar of somone who posted as recently as a month ago about wanting to get a buzz from snus and wanting to experiment with different tobacco products to get the buzz and even used the exact same analogy as you and as a matter of fact the exact same wording...

I'm not concerned for you.. Just letting you know the facts.. You have free will to do what you want... Trying using it to stop will be the problem... So answer this... what is your purpose in trying differnt tobacco products? Because feeding the addiction is it's only purpose. The so called pleasure you think your getting from it is an illusion and meant to trap you into addiction... Fact

Yes

[lxskllr]

For some reason, smoking a carton of cigs with a friend over a weekend sounds like fun!

It was a blast. Go to Ocean City, smoke and drink all weekend. Get back to real life, and drop it all :^)

[DLB]

Different experience

Three months ago, I was using 3-4 cans of Copenhagen a day and could hardly go without a dip in my mouth. If I found myself without a can in stock, I became frantic to the point of going out at midnight to buy a can. To make matters worse, I wasn't even enjoying the experience of dipping.

Then I discovered Snuson.com and Swedish Snus. With Snus, over a twelve-week period, I have cut my usage to about three times a day (for an hour each time) and don't feel any "compulsion" that I "have to have it." I can go for long periods and never think about "snussing." I currently use about one can every week. In only twelve weeks, I have gone from 21-28 cans of Copenhagen per week to 1 can of Snus per week. I am saving a fortune$.

I can't explain the difference but, for me, "Snussing" has enabled me to severely cut back on my nicotine habit. I believe I could probably quit snussing now without a great deal of difficulty. When I was on Copenhagen, I was a "raving" addict and thought of little other than making sure I had enough stock to get me through the day.

I placed an original order for about 30 cans of different types of snus and put them in the freezer. I find that trying different brands of snus has been an enjoyable journey. In my experience thus far, the subtle flavors of snus are far more satisfying than the taste of Copenhagen. Recently, I went back and tried a dip of Copenhagen (from the one remaining "can" I put in the freezer) and found myself wondering what allured me in the first place. I have no desire to return to Copenhagen or to dipping. With twenty cans of snus still in the freezer, I have enough stash to last a long time at my new rate of consumption.

Everyone's journey is different, but for me, Swedish Snus has been a life-saver.

[GoVegan]

Thanks for sharing DLB! Thats a cool story.

[Anthony85]

Clearly you know nothing about nicotine addiction.. First there is nothing simple about detoxing from it ... This is called nicotine withdrawl not detoxing.. 2nd nicotine does detroy your will over time, it changes your brain chemistry... As far as you not letting yourself become addicted, With nicotine you really don't have a choice, At some point you will become addicted. You can say all you want I won't become addicted... So did i 38 yrs ago... Sure it might be pleasurable now, But that is what Nicotine addiction does, It 1st traps you into beleiving it is pleasruable... your analogy comparing Nicotine to being Right up there with a good glass of bourbon. As with anything, moderation is key is comparing apples to oranges and is not the same.. Sorry But it is what it is... Nicotine in any form was never meant to be pleasurable.. it is meant to get you hooked and addicted.. period

Your reply to me sounded like you are becoming very offensive and really sounded familar of somone who posted as recently as a month ago about wanting to get a buzz from snus and wanting to experiment with different tobacco products to get the buzz and even used the exact same analogy as you and as a matter of fact the exact same wording...

I'm not concerned for you.. Just letting you know the facts.. You have free will to do what you want... Trying using it to stop will be the problem... So answer this... what is your purpose in trying differnt tobacco products? Because feeding the addiction is it's only purpose. The so called pleasure you think your getting from it is an illusion and meant to trap you into addiction... Fact

1.) Just about every experience we have has an effect on brain chemistry. It doesn't mean our will has been destroyed. Even if something has a firm hold over our affections, we still have full control over our will. Certainly, we can cave and give in; but that's the choice of the will. Far too many tobacco users have quit, to say that the will is destroyed by a naturally occurring substance. Likewise, many become addicted to alcohol and never quit; does that mean it also destroys the will? I know better. It's all about the strength of mind and will. Where there's a will, there's a way.

2.) Addiction is certainly possible, but not probable with light usage. If I become addicted to my 1-3 snuffs each day (with several days off every couple weeks or so), then it's easy enough to kick. If I begin snuffing 5-10g, it would be harder; but I'd deserve it for allowing myself to lose control.

3.) We disagree on what is pleasurable and what isn't. Certainly you have a different perspective because of your addiction, but I'd venture to say that is because of you and not the substance itself. Alcoholics have a difficult time with liquor; but it isn't liquor's fault. Some people are just prone to addiction, and heavy long-term usage makes it much worse. I'd have to say that I'm much more addicted to my coffee than any snuff, and it's much harder to go without it! If I became increasingly addicted to nicotine by taking in the same amounts day-in and day-out, without taking more, and with taking time off, that would be a miraculous substance indeed.

4.) Nicotine isn't meant for anything. It's something we've found pleasurable, and so we use it. If it weren't pleasurable, we wouldn't use it. Sure, we can abuse it and find ourselves highly addicted; but our actions have consequences. That's just the way it is.

I'm not offensive, I just have a different perspective and opinion than you. Again, if I felt myself becoming addicted, I would stop its use and not pick it up again. You can believe it or not, I know myself well enough to know it's true, and I keep a close eye on it daily.

I'd like to try different tobacco products the same way I like to try different whiskeys. Taking a small dip every once in a while isn't going to make me a raving fiend; and at the first signs of withdrawal/addiction, I'd put it down and that'd be it. Easy enough.

I appreciate your concern, and I do take what you say to heart. I just think you're coming from a different set of experiences, personality type, and usage pattern.

Good luck!

[precious007]

For some reason, smoking a carton of cigs with a friend over a weekend sounds like fun!

I think there were quite a few weekened in my teen ages when I smoked that alone.

LoL

[snusjus]

Here's my opinion on the matter:

Cigarettes give the body a very high level of nicotine within seconds after the nicotine-rich smoke reaching the lungs. Consequently, nicotine blood levels deplete at a very rapid rate, causing a cigarette craving within 1-2 hours after a cigarette. After a while, the body becomes used to this spike in blood nicotine levels, thus fostering an addiction.

Snus, on the other hand, is more subtle, but equally addictive (at least for me). When the nicotine from snus is absorbed, it takes a longer period of time for the nicotine to reach the brain. However, it takes a longer period of time for the nicotine to leave the body. I believe snus users are addicted because they are used to having a set amount of nicotine in their body CONSTANTLY. Smokers, on the other hand, are addicted because their blood nicotine level is constantly being replenished and depleted.

I will try to prove my point from personal experience. About one year ago, I decided to buy a pack of cigarettes for a night of drinking. When I was a smoker, I would smoke about 10 cigarettes per day. This time, however, due to my snus habit, I ended up smoking the entire pack (20 cigarettes) in a period of eight hours. I conclude that snus has actually RAISED my nicotine tolerance, since I was no longer accustomed to having a low blood nicotine level.

So yes, I believe snus is just as addictive as cigarettes, but in a different manner.

[precious007]

Here's my opinion on the matter:

Cigarettes give the body a very high level of nicotine within seconds after the nicotine-rich smoke reaching the lungs. Consequently, nicotine blood levels deplete at a very rapid rate, causing a cigarette craving within 1-2 hours after a cigarette. After a while, the body becomes used to this spike in blood nicotine levels, thus fostering an addiction.

Snus, on the other hand, is more subtle, but equally addictive (at least for me). When the nicotine from snus is absorbed, it takes a longer period of time for the nicotine to reach the brain. However, it takes a longer period of time for the nicotine to leave the body. I believe snus users are addicted because they are used to having a set amount of nicotine in their body CONSTANTLY. Smokers, on the other hand, are addicted because their blood nicotine level is constantly being replenished and depleted.

I will try to prove my point from personal experience. About one year ago, I decided to buy a pack of cigarettes for a night of drinking. When I was a smoker, I would smoke about 10 cigarettes per day. This time, however, due to my snus habit, I ended up smoking the entire pack (20 cigarettes) in a period of eight hours. I conclude that snus has actually RAISED my nicotine tolerance, since I was no longer accustomed to having a low blood nicotine level.

So yes, I believe snus is just as addictive as cigarettes, but in a different manner.

Definitely you'll get more nicotine from SNUS. Cigarettes have never given me such a buzz as SNUS.

[WickedKitchen]

Wow...you had a craving for US Camel? I'm sorry to hear that.

You're pretty right about different people having different tendencies to addiction, but nic will grip you as it does 90% of people and do it very subtly. We all have will power, yes. I'm guessing you're 25 so you probably have more of it still. I'm not putting you down there...it's a good thing.

Nicotine does have it's legitimate medical uses though so it's not purely for the addict. Just remember, you're doing it for a reason. Be it fun, calming, taste, scent, or whatever...if there was no benefit for you to use the product you wouldn't use it. You will come to crave the benefit of the product and that's when it gets you. Remember your first cig or dip? For just about all of us it was not a pleasurable experience...but we did it again for some reason. And again, and again, and again. Caffeine is easier to break than nicotine, that's for sure. In either case, both drugs are water soluble so they're pretty much gone w/in 72 hours but it's the psychological part that's harder to break w/ nic. Your brain wants the benefits of nicotine and your body wants the nicotine itself when you're addicted. Good luck to you...we'll be here for ya.

[Anthony85]

Yeah, I'm sorry too. Almost embarrassing to feel a craving for an inferior product! LOL

I'm fine now, however. Probably just a bit too much stimulant in my body, and I felt the effects of the comedown a bit more than usual. No cravings or symptoms today at all.

If I want to try snus in the future, I'd probably go with a bit of real snus instead of the American imitation, for the simple reason that I have no idea what they're putting into it, and the real product is most likely much better. At my level of usage, one tin would last me several months.