I never realized...

[jagmanss]

1.) Just about every experience we have has an effect on brain chemistry. It doesn't mean our will has been destroyed. Even if something has a firm hold over our affections, we still have full control over our will. Certainly, we can cave and give in; but that's the choice of the will. Far too many tobacco users have quit, to say that the will is destroyed by a naturally occurring substance. Likewise, many become addicted to alcohol and never quit; does that mean it also destroys the will? I know better. It's all about the strength of mind and will. Where there's a will, there's a way.

2.) Addiction is certainly possible, but not probable with light usage. If I become addicted to my 1-3 snuffs each day (with several days off every couple weeks or so), then it's easy enough to kick. If I begin snuffing 5-10g, it would be harder; but I'd deserve it for allowing myself to lose control.

3.) We disagree on what is pleasurable and what isn't. Certainly you have a different perspective because of your addiction, but I'd venture to say that is because of you and not the substance itself. Alcoholics have a difficult time with liquor; but it isn't liquor's fault. Some people are just prone to addiction, and heavy long-term usage makes it much worse. I'd have to say that I'm much more addicted to my coffee than any snuff, and it's much harder to go without it! If I became increasingly addicted to nicotine by taking in the same amounts day-in and day-out, without taking more, and with taking time off, that would be a miraculous substance indeed.

4.) Nicotine isn't meant for anything. It's something we've found pleasurable, and so we use it. If it weren't pleasurable, we wouldn't use it. Sure, we can abuse it and find ourselves highly addicted; but our actions have consequences. That's just the way it is.

I'm not offensive, I just have a different perspective and opinion than you. Again, if I felt myself becoming addicted, I would stop its use and not pick it up again. You can believe it or not, I know myself well enough to know it's true, and I keep a close eye on it daily.

I'd like to try different tobacco products the same way I like to try different whiskeys. Taking a small dip every once in a while isn't going to make me a raving fiend; and at the first signs of withdrawal/addiction, I'd put it down and that'd be it. Easy enough.

I appreciate your concern, and I do take what you say to heart. I just think you're coming from a different set of experiences, personality type, and usage pattern.

Good luck!

ATAP85, I mean Anthony85 now that is.. I see you aren't going to take any advice that was given in the your original user post back in mid september under the newbie section and since it really won't matter what I or anyone else tell you about you wanting to dabble and use tobacco/nicotine recreationally and since you have never been a consumer of any tobacco/nicotine product you might as well sit back and enjoy the ride. Far be it for me to tell anyone who doesn't want to take the facts that are given as A warning. Just remember you have been warned..

That said, I will be here for you as will others on this forum to answer any questions you may have about snus afterall that is what this forum is for.. Best of luck to you in your new journey to addiction

[Anthony85]

Yes, that was my old account, but I was away for so long in other forums that I forgot the password and even the username. LOL Maybe this "new found addiction" will improve my memory?

[jagmanss]

Yes, that was my old account, but I was away for so long in other forums that I forgot the password and even the username. LOL Maybe this "new found addiction" will improve my memory?

It does have that going for it... I had lousey memory and concentration when I tried to quit... although it improved when I went back, I still have sometimers disease... LOL

[snusgetter]

It does have that going for it... I had lousey memory and concentration when I tried to quit... although it improved when I went back, I still have sometimers disease... LOL

Just wait til you have to contend with those 'senior moments'
that descend upon you tota



... where was I? ... oh yeah...

totally unprovoked. Glad I don't have to worry about that!!


btw, what the hell is a teabag doing under my lip?
And who took the string & tag?

Damned whippersnappers!!

[Enzo_Guy]

It was a blast. Go to Ocean City, smoke and drink all weekend. Get back to real life, and drop it all :^)

Sadly, I think you and myself are some of only a handful of people on this forum that will understand just how awsome Ocean City is. Tried telling all my friends about it out in Ohio, they thought I was exaggerating it all.

Oh Senior Week, thou art the greatest holiday on the calendar. Haha!

On a side note to the physical addiction, I think snus actually discourages physical addiction compared to dip and cigarettes. When I had to smoke, I HAD to smoke. Today I was working hard and had not used a portion for almost 6 hours, didn't feel any negative effects. If I absolutely had to quit, I think the only real problem I would face would be in the mornings when I first wake up. But as someone who rarely drinks coffee, I have found that if I drink a cup of coffee instead of using a portion I have no ill effects. So if I drank a cup of coffee in the morning instead of having a portion in I would likely be able to quit tomorrow.

[nachowayne]

I've been smoking for about 20 years now. Still smoke, just not as often, maybe 1 or 2, maybe 10, maybe none in a day, depending on what I am doing. It is definitely the nicotine that keeps me coming back. I think that this journey of the last few years has been me trying to keep nicotine in my life and limit the harmful effects.

I used to smoke cigarettes all day. Now I get up in the morning, make breakfast for the kids, make some coffee for me, the wife, and the older kid, then have a snus with the coffee on the drive to take everyone to work and school. The caffeine and nicotine are just a part of the every day routine. Right now I am having a glass of bourbon and a snus. All day long today I was snuffing and snusing. And yes, I did have a cigarette today. I still like them. I like to roll a cigarette and smoke it. Shoot me.

I think sometimes we just need these things to keep us going. Some people go through their whole lives straight. Good for them. I used to smoke weed in the morning and all day long. Now I might smoke every few months and I think I am better off than before. I guess it would be an understatement to say I am a better father as a nicotine junkie than I was as a pothead.

Not sure what I am getting at here but all this talk of nicotine addiction got me thinking about my various addictions. I don't think it's so bad being addicted to nicotine. There are worse things to be addicted to.

[Anthony85]

Just wanted to follow up on this thread. I've come to the conclusion that Camel is putting some suspicious things into their "snus." I came to this conclusion from using a variety of other tobacco products, including dip, chewing tobacco, and nasal snuff. I can use these products lightly, and even moderately without any physical addiction. I've even tried Marlboro "snus" with no problem, other than the crappy taste and quality. But two portions of Camel leave me half sick and jonesing(!)

After about a week abstinence from tobacco, I'm using some General and Catch and no ill effects as of yet. Though I have to say, it's much better taste and quality than the other crap. We'll see how this treats me; but one thing I know for certain is to stay away from American imitations.

[Speedoape]

You'd better stay away from Northerner BOOST, then!!

Aside from 6 Mg nicotine each portion contains

Taurine 50 Mg
Caffeine 20 Mg (a cup Of Coffee Contains 60 To 80 Mg)
Guarana

For you, this might be like a rocket launch!!

This is now on my order list....omg I want this!!!

[EricHill78]

Some snuffs are mighty powerfull in the nic well it may just be in my head.. The American scotches and the Fubar Grunt calm a craving.. I don't know what the actual nic content is in a pinch of snuff compared to a portion or pris.. I don't know I don't do drugs or drink right now so I deserve one vice.

[muddyfunkstar]

Not sure what I am getting at here but all this talk of nicotine addiction got me thinking about my various addictions. I don't think it's so bad being addicted to nicotine. There are worse things to be addicted to.

Hear hear

[texastorm]

I embrace my addiction rather than hate it. Nicotine has made my life more pleasurable, and when it quits on me, I will quit on it.

I am however hopelessly addicted, so that's the nicotine talking just so you know.

[shag1952]

I'm no expert on nicotine addiction, all I know I smoked 2 packs of cigarettes every day for about 40 years. Finally I got wiser and started doing research on smokeless tobacco, I found snus and havn't looked back. Instead of 40 smokes aday I'm at about 8 pouches a day so I'm getting less nicotine and not missing it. Sometimes I'll trade off for the mini's and still don't feel much different. The truth is if you are going to use tobacco no matter what the form someday you'll be hooked, I know that all too well. Hell I couldn't quit even after a heart attack! At least now I'm smoke free, just not nicotine free.

[PipenSnus]

There's a big difference between psychological "addiction" and true physical addiction. And it is also true that different people have different neurochemical responses to nicotine.

I agree that nicotine addiction is probably not as bad as many anti-tobacco activists would like us to believe. But every choice we make in life has consequences, and many can have fatal consequences. The next time you pull your car out of your driveway, you could total it on the freeway and die. Does that mean you will give up driving altogether? I doubt it.

In brief, life is short and uncertain. Enjoy as much of it as you can, there are no guarantees.