Edit: It appears that the answer is that American snus overloads on artificial sweeteners and that Sweedish snus taste better and has more variety.
Hi Snuson! I am a brand new American snusser as of a few weeks ago, and for the past four days have been Swedish snussing due to the notion I read on the internet that American snus was not legitimate.
A few weeks ago I got sick, as I always do, a week before finals. I have smoked a full pack a day at least since I was 16 and have never even tried to reduce, much less quit, smoking. However, I had a presentation for my Honors class in which I did not want to embarrass my teamates with the same massive cough that I get before every finals. Again, I have never smoked less than a pack and have no idea what the side-effects from such an activity would present me. Rather than take any chances, I went down and loaded up on Camel Snus, and cut back to 5 cigarettes a day. The first day was annoying, in that I thought about smoking frequently, but everyday after that I was completely fine. During finals week I decided to order 4 cans of snus from Sweden based on the consensus of the internet that Swedish snus was better. I did not really look into the reasons why it was better, I just took the consensus for granted. The shipping charges blew my mind. After finals were over, I made a rash decision that it would be neat to attempt to continue to smoke 5 cigarettes per day, seeing that the Camel was cheaper than my smokes, but more importantly, than I could obtain 16 hours of constant nicotine levels without the peaks downs of smoking.
So now I am reading on Snuson and elsewhere that American snus delivers practically no nicotine and is therefore bunk. How could this be? Did I just get placebo'd ? Does 6 years of a pack a day habit simply not produce the dependency that the tobacco-nazis claim it does? I also read on Snuson and elsewhere that American manufacturers maliciously hide their poison-ingredients from the consumer. I'll address that later, but first off, the nicotine issue:
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I stumbled upon this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892835/ Look at table 1 in particular: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...2835/table/T1/
It compares Camel, Marlboro, and other American snus to "traditional snus" which includes General Snus. It doesn't indicate which type of General, however. Regardless, the amount of Free nicotine for the Camel they tested ranges from 6.09to 9.16 mg/g, whereas the General snus they tested has 7.69 mg/g. The pH of the Camel was from 7.46 to 7.75, whereas the General they tested is 7.95. If this test is accurate, it is safe to say the free nicotine of Camel rivals that of the particular general they tested. However, the Marlboro snus is embarrassing: 0.350 to 1.13 mg/g and 6.47 to 6.85 pH.
Here is an article from the Journal of Harm Reduction titled Is low-nicotine Marlboro snus really snus? http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/5/1/9
They say the following: "Swedish snus is an oral smokeless tobacco product that typically contains approximately 50% moisture. Its rather high pH (7.5–8.5) results in a high proportion of "free" or unbound nicotine, which facilitates nicotine absorption into the body". It further goes on to argue that Marlboro is producing a bunk product to convince Americans that snus is bullshit. According to the first study I posted, this makes sense: there is no nicotine and a low pH. But Camel however has a pH level hovering around 7.5, which is on the low end of Swedish (which apparently is 7.5-8.5) but nicotine levels that rival that of General.
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Now to address the issue of the evil corporations purposely and maliciously lacing their products with chemicals...
Swedish is a nearly socialist country. If a person has sex with someone they are not married to without using a condom, the two people involved have broken the law. It is not as if the Swedish manufactures of snus care about the consumer so much that they are willing to give away trade secrets... The government of Sweden forces them to. They have no option.
America is on the other spectrum: it is a nearly capitalist country. We respect property rights and personal choice in this country. The government does not force a corporation to hand out trade secrets. The "evil corporation" brings a product to market, and consumers have the choice of purchasing it. The consumer is not entitled to to trade secret. This is to protect the property of the corporation. It is in the best interest of the corporation to not poison its customers. The more of its customer that die, the less revenue it will bring in, and the more likely consumers will sue in court.
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Now to my Question:
What are the reasons that American snus is bullshit, and Swedish snus is the only snus I should buy? I know that the consensus is that American snus does not deliver nicotine and that the American manufactures are evil and want to kill the consumer with poison, which is proven by the fact that they won't release their trade secrets. What are the alternative reasons?
If that study listed above is correct, and my personal experience had no withdrawl, then Camel Snus clearly delivers nicotine. I do not at all care or believe that Camel would try to kill me prematurely. I am gung-ho about GMOs and pesticides: I don't give a shit about the scientifically inaccurate claims about pesticides and what-not.
So, what are the alternative reasons?
If you can contradict my nicotine evidence, please do so.
Two nights ago I plunked down $200 on an assorted order of Swedish snus because I still want to give this a chance. But I really don't want to do that simply because the internet told me that the evil manufactures won't let me know what is inside of my snus. An order that large spreads the shipping charges out dramatically, but American Snus is still dramatically cheaper.
PS: I do not mean for this thread to come off as antagonistic; please do not take it that way. I enjoy snus and would not have been turned onto the American snus in the first place if it wasn't for the lurking on this forum: thank God for this forum.
Hi Snuson! I am a brand new American snusser as of a few weeks ago, and for the past four days have been Swedish snussing due to the notion I read on the internet that American snus was not legitimate.
A few weeks ago I got sick, as I always do, a week before finals. I have smoked a full pack a day at least since I was 16 and have never even tried to reduce, much less quit, smoking. However, I had a presentation for my Honors class in which I did not want to embarrass my teamates with the same massive cough that I get before every finals. Again, I have never smoked less than a pack and have no idea what the side-effects from such an activity would present me. Rather than take any chances, I went down and loaded up on Camel Snus, and cut back to 5 cigarettes a day. The first day was annoying, in that I thought about smoking frequently, but everyday after that I was completely fine. During finals week I decided to order 4 cans of snus from Sweden based on the consensus of the internet that Swedish snus was better. I did not really look into the reasons why it was better, I just took the consensus for granted. The shipping charges blew my mind. After finals were over, I made a rash decision that it would be neat to attempt to continue to smoke 5 cigarettes per day, seeing that the Camel was cheaper than my smokes, but more importantly, than I could obtain 16 hours of constant nicotine levels without the peaks downs of smoking.
So now I am reading on Snuson and elsewhere that American snus delivers practically no nicotine and is therefore bunk. How could this be? Did I just get placebo'd ? Does 6 years of a pack a day habit simply not produce the dependency that the tobacco-nazis claim it does? I also read on Snuson and elsewhere that American manufacturers maliciously hide their poison-ingredients from the consumer. I'll address that later, but first off, the nicotine issue:
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I stumbled upon this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892835/ Look at table 1 in particular: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...2835/table/T1/
It compares Camel, Marlboro, and other American snus to "traditional snus" which includes General Snus. It doesn't indicate which type of General, however. Regardless, the amount of Free nicotine for the Camel they tested ranges from 6.09to 9.16 mg/g, whereas the General snus they tested has 7.69 mg/g. The pH of the Camel was from 7.46 to 7.75, whereas the General they tested is 7.95. If this test is accurate, it is safe to say the free nicotine of Camel rivals that of the particular general they tested. However, the Marlboro snus is embarrassing: 0.350 to 1.13 mg/g and 6.47 to 6.85 pH.
Here is an article from the Journal of Harm Reduction titled Is low-nicotine Marlboro snus really snus? http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/5/1/9
They say the following: "Swedish snus is an oral smokeless tobacco product that typically contains approximately 50% moisture. Its rather high pH (7.5–8.5) results in a high proportion of "free" or unbound nicotine, which facilitates nicotine absorption into the body". It further goes on to argue that Marlboro is producing a bunk product to convince Americans that snus is bullshit. According to the first study I posted, this makes sense: there is no nicotine and a low pH. But Camel however has a pH level hovering around 7.5, which is on the low end of Swedish (which apparently is 7.5-8.5) but nicotine levels that rival that of General.
--------------------
Now to address the issue of the evil corporations purposely and maliciously lacing their products with chemicals...
Swedish is a nearly socialist country. If a person has sex with someone they are not married to without using a condom, the two people involved have broken the law. It is not as if the Swedish manufactures of snus care about the consumer so much that they are willing to give away trade secrets... The government of Sweden forces them to. They have no option.
America is on the other spectrum: it is a nearly capitalist country. We respect property rights and personal choice in this country. The government does not force a corporation to hand out trade secrets. The "evil corporation" brings a product to market, and consumers have the choice of purchasing it. The consumer is not entitled to to trade secret. This is to protect the property of the corporation. It is in the best interest of the corporation to not poison its customers. The more of its customer that die, the less revenue it will bring in, and the more likely consumers will sue in court.
--------------------
Now to my Question:
What are the reasons that American snus is bullshit, and Swedish snus is the only snus I should buy? I know that the consensus is that American snus does not deliver nicotine and that the American manufactures are evil and want to kill the consumer with poison, which is proven by the fact that they won't release their trade secrets. What are the alternative reasons?
If that study listed above is correct, and my personal experience had no withdrawl, then Camel Snus clearly delivers nicotine. I do not at all care or believe that Camel would try to kill me prematurely. I am gung-ho about GMOs and pesticides: I don't give a shit about the scientifically inaccurate claims about pesticides and what-not.
So, what are the alternative reasons?
If you can contradict my nicotine evidence, please do so.
Two nights ago I plunked down $200 on an assorted order of Swedish snus because I still want to give this a chance. But I really don't want to do that simply because the internet told me that the evil manufactures won't let me know what is inside of my snus. An order that large spreads the shipping charges out dramatically, but American Snus is still dramatically cheaper.
PS: I do not mean for this thread to come off as antagonistic; please do not take it that way. I enjoy snus and would not have been turned onto the American snus in the first place if it wasn't for the lurking on this forum: thank God for this forum.
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