New Skoal snus and new Marb snus has appeared at my gas station!

[lxskllr]

The problem is people are people. Swedes aren't any different than Americans, and not too many people here came to snus from an experienced background. Americans need to be told what's good, instead of having everything dumbed down for them. I like Skittles, and I like sushi, but I don't want sushi that tastes like Skittles. Some things are worth putting in a little effort to understand, and appreciate, instead of going for the basest attraction. If someone wants candy; fine. There's plenty of choices at the candy counter, and it's super easy and cheap to purchase. If someone wants to put on the big boy pants, and use tobacco, they should use tobacco, and not nicotine infused candy.

What's going to happen, is everybody will expect snus to be candy, so that's what the manufacturers will supply. There'll be no General, or anything else worth using. Once mail order completely gets shut down, that'll be it. We'll have Marlboro, Skoal, and small handful of Swedish brands that are only Swedish due to the country of origin. They'll be just as Americanized as our homegrown crap.

Edit:

Here's a quote from another forum that I think fits very well in this instance. This guy's a professional chef, and a brewer...

It's quite simple Americans have been trained to think bad beer tastes good. Just as more consumers buy margarine than butter and cryovac meats instead of dry aged. Cultivating bad habits takes dedication, research and is almost always expensive. Slamming down an ice cold brew you can hardly taste isn't a bad habit, it's just trashy and, unfortunately, uniquely American.

[Crow]

I like Skittles, and I like sushi, but I don't want sushi that tastes like Skittles.

What about Skittles that taste like sushi?

[Grim]

Sorry but so many ppl turning their noses at American Snus is ridiculous.

Ive tried every singel snus brand out there and do american snus' come close .... sorta

The newest Marlboro Snus is the best American Snus made ive tried and thats from triumph onwards. Camel is way off any natural flavor, the heads at skoal were too stupid to introduce a natural tobacco flavor, which skoal snus has the closest pouches to the swedish stuff because they are the softest american snus pouches out there, but all in all isnt it at least nice for american companies to introduce the general populas to snus?

Fact being without the american companies doing so no one would ever know about it.

Hell ive yet to incounter a clerk who knoew what the hell this stuff is and without poper education they never will.

Thats where you can fault the companies, not educating those buying their product and those selling it because ost of them think it is just dip.

Stop soundin like a bunch of snobs and take it for what it is.... a blessing

[tom502]

I think it is a new item for the US consumers, still, and it has shown progress. I think once they introduce a natural flavor, and work on the pouch size, it may be more applicable. But I think mostly it is marketed for smokers to use when they can't smoke, but I think Skoal may be different in that is a dip maker, so they could be releasing it as an alternative smokeless.

[victoryredchevy]

Found both flavors yesterday at the local shop. Got one of each. Mint is overpowering and waaay too sweet. After 5 minutes of this one, it was like having a mouthful of Sweet Stripes. I spit it out. Smooth Mint was a little better, in that, it wasn't as overpowering as far as flavor. Again, though. After 5 minutes, a terrible rush of sugar. I mean, just like a mouthful of sugar. Hhhh....They got a few things right with this product, but overall.....FAIL. I can honestly say, I would use Camel before I used this. Ouch. Progess has been made here, but America has a long way to go when it comes to good snus.

[chadizzy1]

Stop soundin like a bunch of snobs and take it for what it is.... a blessing

Grim, picture it like this.



A man lives in Australia for a few years. He grows to love Anzac Biscuits. He has them every day and develops a deep appreciation for what they are, trying many different types, recipes, eventually settling on a few that he really likes. It is an authentic Australian dish.

He comes to America and searches high and low for Anzac Biscuits, but it just isn't a common thing. Eventually - one day, he finds some in a store. He jumps up and down with delight! But he finds that these biscuits are made for Americans with the "Anzac" name to make them sound extra fancy-schmancy. He opens the package and finds them covered in icing, sugar, sprinkles, and all kinds of things. He takes a bite and finds them STUFFED WITH PURE SUGAR to make them taste even more sweet. To add insult to injury the package says "Anzac Biscuits - straight from Australia! We took the original and perfected them!"

Anzac Biscuits start to catch on, more and more people start to like them, but they never come close to meeting the mark of the originals he grew to love and appreciate in Australia. Anzac Biscuits are now everywhere, even cheaper than importing or making his own. But it's just not the same. Despite the fact that something is easier to get and is quickly becoming a household name doesn't give him the food that he loves most, it just gives him something disgusting with the same name. Sure, more people know about Anzac Biscuits and MAYBE, just MAYBE someday people may get it right, but the odds of that happening are slim to nil. After all - the current Anzac Biscuits in America are being pushed as one thing - and people are falling in love with them! Why change that? Why make something less sweet that's more true to the original recipe? The people are loving the over sweetened version!

Despite the fact that he can now access his favorite food cheaper, and without having to mess with importing it or making his own - it is getting what he loves to his mouth. It's simply pouring salt in his wound - he can't get what he loves any easier, and now he has this terrible bastardized product as a knock off that people are growing to love because it's geered towards American taste. He doesn't have an American taste in mind, his tastes are more refined, he doesn't enjoy food that is "way too sweet", he likes things the way he likes them, it's what he is accustomed to. And now, as the bastardization continues to grow, he sees that he will never truly have the product he loves, only a knock off.

[lxskllr]

Nice analogy Chad :^)

[toddzilla]

Grim, picture it like this.

A man lives in Australia for a few years. He grows to love Anzac Biscuits. He has them every day and develops a deep appreciation for what they are, trying many different types, recipes, eventually settling on a few that he really likes. It is an authentic Australian dish.

He comes to America and searches high and low for Anzac Biscuits, but it just isn't a common thing. Eventually - one day, he finds some in a store. He jumps up and down with delight! But he finds that these biscuits are made for Americans with the "Anzac" name to make them sound extra fancy-schmancy. He opens the package and finds them covered in icing, sugar, sprinkles, and all kinds of things. He takes a bite and finds them STUFFED WITH PURE SUGAR to make them taste even more sweet. To add insult to injury the package says "Anzac Biscuits - straight from Australia! We took the original and perfected them!"

Anzac Biscuits start to catch on, more and more people start to like them, but they never come close to meeting the mark of the originals he grew to love and appreciate in Australia. Anzac Biscuits are now everywhere, even cheaper than importing or making his own. But it's just not the same. Despite the fact that something is easier to get and is quickly becoming a household name doesn't give him the food that he loves most, it just gives him something disgusting with the same name. Sure, more people know about Anzac Biscuits and MAYBE, just MAYBE someday people may get it right, but the odds of that happening are slim to nil. After all - the current Anzac Biscuits in America are being pushed as one thing - and people are falling in love with them! Why change that? Why make something less sweet that's more true to the original recipe? The people are loving the over sweetened version!

Despite the fact that he can now access his favorite food cheaper, and without having to mess with importing it or making his own - it is getting what he loves to his mouth. It's simply pouring salt in his wound - he can't get what he loves any easier, and now he has this terrible bastardized product as a knock off that people are growing to love because it's geered towards American taste. He doesn't have an American taste in mind, his tastes are more refined, he doesn't enjoy food that is "way too sweet", he likes things the way he likes them, it's what he is accustomed to. And now, as the bastardization continues to grow, he sees that he will never truly have the product he loves, only a knock off.

that was beautifully put Chad.. and that is why you are the snus ambassador to the world!!

[rickcharles606]

The more I think about it, the LESS likely I am to support American makers. Screw these guys. Saying it's getting better works for me if I'm trying to hack something together in the kitchen. The tobacco companies are supposed to be professionals. There's no reason a usable snus couldn't have been made on the first attempt. Any support given these jokers is affirmation they're doing something right. "I can leave it in for 30 minutes instead 5 minutes as before" isn't an improvement. I'm sure some dogshit tastes better than others, but I'm not gonna sample them all to find the breed I prefer; it's still just dogshit.

The American companies have gotten me for ~$25. They OWE me, and if they can't ship me a decent snus gratis, I can't give them more of my money for the same crap over and over again.

+1 brother!

I definitely have a dog in this fight, and by fight I meant the U.S. snus market. My personal opinion echos that of lxskllr and others, in that I refuse to support these American companies, but my reason for this might be different though. Let me ask all you supporters of U.S. tobacco companies something, do you really think that the American tobacco companies could make a better snus product? Especially knowing that these companies employ some of the best and brightest chemist and flavor engineers in the world?? These companies have f'd with the American consumer for years, and they're doing it again with these feeble attempts at snus. If they really wanted to make a snus product that would help people quit smoking, they would do it...if they really wanted to make a snus product that would appeal to their HUGE consumer base of dip users...they would.

I don't understand the blind faith in these companies, I hate them for lying to me for so many years. It's as if these companies are saying, "okay, we hear you...you want a safer product called snus, well..here you go, this is our version. Go ahead, try it...it's safe" Why would I expect these companies to stop lying to me now, and better yet, why would I support them after lying to me in the first place? Remember guys, this is just my personal opinion here..my professional opinion is a bit different. Go ahead an support the companies that brought you inferior, harmful products for so many years....and I'll keep busting my ass to make Swedish snus a reality at brick and mortars in the U.S. by educating wholesalers and retailers and then selling the REAL snus products to them, so that we can all walk down the street and buy Swedish snus at our local store. Swedish snus can and will be a reality in the U.S., but not if the American public "accepts" what RJR, PM and Skoal have offered as real snus...it's up to us to teach the public differently, and it's up to me to make sure they have access to real Swedish snus when they do find out the truth. **steps down off his soapbox**

My professional opinion is this....these companies have to offer snus products to have some representation in this category. It's new, trendy and a growing market vertical, and there is money to be made. It's a smart move on their part to pick up sales anywhere they can in these days.

[precious007]

I don't understand the blind faith in these companies, I hate them for lying to me for so many years

Everyone lies in the marketing field =))

[rickcharles606]

Everyone lies in the marketing field =))

LOL, I know that's the public perception, but I don't....because I don't have to

[precious007]

LOL, I know that's the public perception, but I don't....because I don't have to

Sometimes you don't ...

But sometimes you have to...

[rickcharles606]

Sometimes you don't ...

But sometimes you have to...

we'll agree to disagree here

[precious007]

we'll agree to disagree here

Ok, shake hands :P

[rickcharles606]

Ok, shake hands :P

Done