Swedish Match claims V2 snus is poor quality

[justintempler]

Larry..............because SM is going to come clean with Larry

The same SM that sent two reps here to the worlds biggest international snus forum..............and then proceeded to implement not ONE idea or suggestion that was made

It was all corp BS and spin.

But Larry is gonna fix it for us

Laudate Dominum Larry

Larry is impartial, right?

He would never ever politicize any of his information, right?

I mean he set the record striaght on RJR, Susan Ivey, and Camel, right?

[Veganpunk]

Larry..............because SM is going to come clean with Larry

The same SM that sent two reps here to the worlds biggest international snus forum..............and then proceeded to implement not ONE idea or suggestion that was made

It was all corp BS and spin.

But Larry is gonna fix it for us

Laudate Dominum Larry

Whatever happened to M and J??

[tom502]

I think SM instead of using such tactics against a competitor, should just fight them with a quality budget snus that beats theirs on price and quality. Like dollar snus, or at the most two dollar cans. If it's good to decent, I think people would buy it up, especially those who have to pay taxes and high shipping.

[Veganpunk]

I think SM instead of using such tactics against a competitor, should just fight them with a quality budget snus that beats theirs on price and quality. Like dollar snus, or at the most two dollar cans. If it's good to decent, I think people would buy it up, especially those who have to pay taxes and high shipping.

I agree. I'd buy the hell out of a good budget snus. The price is one of the many appealing things about V2.

[Snus Boost]

Thanks for the support guys!

as i personally see it is the monopoly has woken up and suddenly we have become a competitor…

I think we brought some innovation into the business, which was needed.

From day 1 we want to apply to the same rule and standards as SM. We have made many analisis durring the years and we have always fund the results well bellow SM limits in Gothiatek. Durring next week we will release a official statemant regarding limits and results. We love this business and would never supply bad quality. V2 dont have the same over 100 years of experience as SM, but we do what we can to continually improve and refine our quality.

Regarding the tobacco question: We buy all our tobacco from the world's leading leaf tobacco merchant and processor (American company) who does testing and quality check of everything they sell… and that is not cheap tobacco.

Regarding bacteria: we have more bacteria then SM, but within was is allowed in Sweden. And that is something we choose. If you heat the tobacco more, you get lower level on bacteria and higher level of nitrosamines (TSNA). TSNA is harmfull, bacteria is not.

That was exactly what I was thinking. Swedish Match products are a little over 2 PPM TSNA. V2 is 0.7 PPM. If I have to choose between bacteria and TSNA. I will take lower TSNA every time.
Rick Charles is right to. When you are selling Honda's you don't bash Hyundai. Especially when the person you are selling to currently owns and loves their Hyundai. (I sold cars so those are the terms I relate to best) Granted a 1.3 PPM difference in TSNA is not going to make me choose one product over the other. That is another reason Swedish Match should have kept their mouth shut. If minute differences in levels on anything are a deciding factor for consumers. The TSNA level would be a much larger concern for most people.

[AllanH]

I really can't believe people take this chop shop propaganda from V2 bomb factory, ran by Danish collabarateurs, attacking the free world with their bacteria bombs AKA snus for knackers.

[Veganpunk]

I really can't believe people take this chop shop propaganda from V2 bomb factory, ran by Danish collabarateurs, attacking the free world with their bacteria bombs AKA snus for knackers.

You really don't like V2 do you.

[AllanH]

Well, to be honest I respect V2 as much the Danish military.

[heders]

I don't know who to trust. If Swedish Match were here they would write a very convincing text and everyone would agree with them too. Although I don't say V2 are liars but the question is if Swedish Match is making this stuff up or not. They are the most popular snus brand so I don't think they are afraid of losing money. There must be some truth to what they say, otherwise they would not argue.

[lxskllr]

I don't know who to trust. If Swedish Match were here they would write a very convincing text and everyone would agree with them too. Although I don't say V2 are liars but the question is if Swedish Match is making this stuff up or not. They are the most popular snus brand so I don't think they are afraid of losing money. There must be some truth to what they say, otherwise they would not argue.

I'm sure there's truth to it, and V2 has said as much. The question is, does it matter? I don't think it does. The world's full of bacteria, and it's impossible, and undesirable to get rid of it all.

[heders]

I'm sure there's truth to it, and V2 has said as much. The question is, does it matter? I don't think it does. The world's full of bacteria, and it's impossible, and undesirable to get rid of it all.

That's true. But personally I would feel safer with a clean product than a product with something that is said to:

"According to Swedish Match, writes DI, is both the bacterial and the toxicological content way over the limit from both the swedish National Food Administration and EU.
In some cases it is 100 precent over the limit; double of what is acceptable." - http://di.se/Default.aspx?sr=6&tr=28...epslanguage=sv

Apparently they have proof of it since they are ready to go to a judge. It's a shame, because I'm starting to really like Thunder snus, and it's said to be one of the worst in the tests.

I will follow what happens with open eyes and ears though.

[Monkey]

That's true. But personally I would feel safer with a clean product than a product with something that is said to:

"According to Swedish Match, writes DI, is both the bacterial and the toxicological content way over the limit from both the swedish National Food Administration and EU.
In some cases it is 100 precent over the limit; double of what is acceptable." - http://di.se/Default.aspx?sr=6&tr=28...epslanguage=sv

Apparently they have proof of it since they are ready to go to a judge. It's a shame, because I'm starting to really like Thunder snus, and it's said to be one of the worst in the tests.

Percents mess with you. If the tolerance is 1 part per million, 2 parts per million is a 100% increase. The numbers are so small they whoever wrote the story is using percents to make these numbers look big.

I will follow what happens with open eyes and ears though.

Well I put that in the wrong place. Im on my phone....sorry. I may fix it later......or not. The percent message is what is important.

[fishmeat]

I personally haven't tried any of V2's offerings yet...got an order of Thunder Berry on its way. It seems like Swedish Match is just butthurt...

[lxskllr]

Well I put that in the wrong place. Im on my phone....sorry. I may fix it later......or not. The percent message is what is important.

Ya, that's what I'm seeing. I haven't seen a lab report yet. That's a glaring omission by Swedish Match.

[heders]

Percents mess with you. If the tolerance is 1 part per million, 2 parts per million is a 100% increase. The numbers are so small they whoever wrote the story is using percents to make these numbers look big.

Didn't think of that. But that's very true! I would like to hear more about this from V2 and Swedish Match. And maybe some evidence from Swedish Match's side.