In yo' face, zealots!

[chadizzy1]

I love this article.

"Smokeless tobacco, in particular the pouched Swedish “snus,” is by no means completely harmless, but studies have shown that those who use it regularly are at no greater risk for cancers — including oral cancers — than non-smokers. The pouches also have the benefit of delivering roughly as much nicotine as a cigarette, which makes them easier to transition to than low-dose gum or patches. Without any increase in tax, governments could reduce the burden smokers put on health care simply by encouraging the switch. As an added plus, snus doesn’t encourage those who pick it up to graduate to full-on smoking: Sweden, where it is most widely used, has the best smoking-reduction record in Europe."


The bolded part...meh....but that paragraph stuck out of the whole article to me.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...get-practical/

[LincolnSnuff]

Do you actually disagree with the bolded part Chad? I know you haven't been that brainwashed by the snus powers-that-be...

[chadizzy1]

Oh no, I just feel the way it was worded may be a bit confusing to some people. I think it could have been worded better. But overall I like the way snus was represented.

I know snus is harmful in that it is addictive.

[TommyGunBC]

Good find Chad ! , I can't believe this was in a Canadian paper I posted a comment and linked this forum and the ECF ecig forum for others to read up on the great things ecigs and Snus do to get us Nic heads away from the flaming shizz that is Cigarettes

[LincolnSnuff]

I thought so. Obviously many of us have experienced or can expect to experience some negative effects from snus including addiction, gum recession and other oral health issues. I agree that this is a good article - thanks for posting.

[TommyGunBC]

is it proven that snus causes gum recession ? as the swede I met the other day had been Snusing for 25 years and had perfect teeth and told me he has not had any issues with oral health or any other issues

[lxskllr]

is it proven that snus causes gum recession ? as the swede I met the other day had been Snusing for 25 years and had perfect teeth and told me he has not had any issues with oral health or any other issues

It varies by person. Some get it, and some don't.

[fishmeat]

Rather than constantly pouring money into cessation efforts, the government should start more aggressively pursuing harm reduction strategies to minimize the effects of choices it may be well-nigh impossible to stop people from making.

I agree with this stance very much so. As I stated in my intro post weeks ago, I am a healthcare professional. I work in a medium sized hospital and I see the effects of smoking everyday. One way or the other, the patients you see there are there from smoking. No I am not saying that everyone there is there because of the direct result of smoking, but most of them are. It really breaks down to this mentallity and its one I used to have.

"I feel fine and cancer only comes with years and years of use."

Now some of that is true, lung, mouth and throat cancer don't really start coming around until after sometime has passed. But COPD, Chronic Bronchitis , Emphysema, and all those other bad things start relativity quick. I started smoking at 14 and by 16 I would get bronchitis atleast three to four times a year. Fast forward a bunch of years and I have lost an uncle to a 40+ year smoking habit, my father has lung cancer and is starting chemo soon, and my own personal health has declined heavily. It wasn't until a month or so ago when I had to visit my local ER with chest pain. Now with smoking I have always had a certain amount of slight discomfort in my chest, but this was worrisome enough to warrant going to the ER. I had the whole nine yards of work up done including a chest xray, which at the time I saw as clear and fine.

A couple weeks went by and I was looking at my xray while at work, I had a nurse ask me..."You're a smoker aren't you?" I replied, yes and how did you know? She started to point out three nice sized areas that when contrast is increased on the viewer you can see obvious lung damage from smoking. I then made my plan to quit, unfortunately most people when presented with such information won't.

All I'm getting to is this, by my logic if half of the patients being admitted with respiratory issues from smoking either quit or used a harm reduction such as snus...thats 50% more healthier people. And by my book, if 50% of our patients are healthier then that frees up much more wasted money in healthcare cost to treat those said 50%.

[snusgetter]

It varies by person. Some get it, and some don't.

Gotta wonder what non-tobacco users blame their gum recessions on?

Probably from 'kissing a fool' who uses tobacco!




Let's outlaw kissing!!

[AtreyuKun]

Oh I get it now....Canada. May as well be Russia for all the cousin f*ckers in my area.

[Frosted]

Gum recession happens anyway - thereby the phrase "long in the tooth".

I've been using snus for a few years now and there's no gum recession - at all.

[snusgetter]

Gum recession happens anyway - thereby the phrase "long in the tooth".

I've been using snus for a few years now and there's no gum recession - at all.

In other words, snus helps prevent gum recession?

[Frosted]

I'd seriously doubt that it would 'prevent' gum recession but it certainly hasn't caused any harm whatsoever. Everybody's different though.

Edit, to add: When I used cigarettes, my teeth used to stain up really badly. When I gave up cigarettes and before I found snus, my teeth stained badly. Now that I use snus, my teeth don't stain at all and are whiter than ever. Now that's something to think about. I didn't expect that.

[snusgetter]

I'd seriously doubt that it would 'prevent' gum recession but it certainly hasn't caused any harm whatsoever. Everybody's different though.

Edit, to add: When I used cigarettes, my teeth used to stain up really badly. When I gave up cigarettes and before I found snus, my teeth stained badly. Now that I use snus, my teeth don't stain at all and are whiter than ever. Now that's something to think about. I didn't expect that.

Who knows, the Totally Chlorine Free bleached portion teabags probably help with that.

[Guest]

Edit, to add: When I used cigarettes, my teeth used to stain up really badly. When I gave up cigarettes and before I found snus, my teeth stained badly. Now that I use snus, my teeth don't stain at all and are whiter than ever. Now that's something to think about. I didn't expect that.

That's odd as my dentist regularly gets on my case about staining and just assumes I have a 20-40 a day cig habit (do you smoke?, no, yeah right) but I daren't share with her I use snus as she would most probably be most misinformed on it but alongside that she reguarly complements me on what good nick my gums and teeth are in Do use a whitening toothpaste twice a day along with mouthwash and floss but just can't seem to get rid of the staining. Maybe it's something else, coffee, spicy food....