No More EU To EU Snus Sales! (EU Members Please Read!)

[lxskllr]

Swedish Match is a bloated monopoly, that moves at a glacial pace, and is far too conservative. They don't have the courage to do anything risky. Small makers have the flexibility to adapt to the changing market, and I think they're in a good position to break SM's monopoly.

Remember who your friends are during this tumultuous period. I see GN, Gotland, and V2. Where's Swedish Match?

[precious007]

Remember who your friends are during this tumultuous period. I see GN, Gotland, and V2. Where's Swedish Match?

Correct

Especially Odens :^)

[khalid]

Come on Swedish Match, what do you have to say for yourselves? Hmmm?.............?

I guess you just lost market share in the E.U. I don't think you are endearing yourselves to our U.S brothers and sisters either. I get that you are in a bit of a pickle but your disregard for your customers is, disappointing to say the least. Some explanation is due to us.

Good luck V2, Gotlands, GN and thanks for treating your customers with respect and compassion. You will be repaid a thousand times for your generosity of spirit.

[precious007]

I guess you just lost market share in the E.U

They lost 1 billion.

If I were Swedish Match now I would start thinking of a black market in the EU ... Kidding ^)

[Mordred]

Swedish Match is a bloated monopoly, that moves at a glacial pace, and is far too conservative. They don't have the courage to do anything risky. Small makers have the flexibility to adapt to the changing market, and I think they're in a good position to break SM's monopoly.

Remember who your friends are during this tumultuous period. I see GN, Gotland, and V2. Where's Swedish Match?

It's not that simple, I'm afraid. The fact of the matter is that companies like V2 have only a tiny market share in Sweden and the majority of their business is exporting to the US and the EU. It's not that they're noble or courageous or our friends, they simply have no choice but to fight this, because losing the entire EU market would be a major blow to them. On the flip side, SM will have a hard time convincing their shareholders that a legal battle over EU exports is worth it, seeing as how the majority of their business is in Sweden (and the US, to some extent).

However, the only company with enough weight behind them to possibly win the inevitable legal battles is SM. V2, Gotlands et al, no matter their enthusiasm, probably won't make it.

[lxskllr]

It's not that simple, I'm afraid. The fact of the matter is that companies like V2 have only a tiny market share in Sweden and the majority of their business is exporting to the US and the EU. It's not that they're noble or courageous or our friends, they simply have no choice but to fight this, because losing the entire EU market would be a major blow to them. On the flip side, SM will have a hard time convincing their shareholders that a legal battle over EU exports is worth it, seeing as how the majority of their business is in Sweden (and the US, to some extent).

However, the only company with enough weight behind them to possibly win the inevitable legal battles is SM. V2, Gotlands et al, no matter their enthusiasm, probably won't make it.

SM has very little to lose. Their lawyers are already paid for, so any court battles will be light on the wallet. SM is bloated, and complacent. They're counting on retaining their monopoly, and now's a good time for the users to break it. By putting our weight behind the smaller makers, we open up the snus market to greater variation. That benefits us by having greater market diversity, and a stronger snus ecosystem.

Edit:
The greater point I'm trying to make, is SM is taking their customers for granted. They're counting on retaining their market share by sheer weight. I think it's time to tell them where to put their snus ;^)

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

It's not that simple, I'm afraid. The fact of the matter is that companies like V2 have only a tiny market share in Sweden and the majority of their business is exporting to the US and the EU. It's not that they're noble or courageous or our friends, they simply have no choice but to fight this, because losing the entire EU market would be a major blow to them. On the flip side, SM will have a hard time convincing their shareholders that a legal battle over EU exports is worth it, seeing as how the majority of their business is in Sweden (and the US, to some extent).

However, the only company with enough weight behind them to possibly win the inevitable legal battles is SM. V2, Gotlands et al, no matter their enthusiasm, probably won't make it.

thank you that you did not mantion us as a tiny

[bill77.017]

Remember who your friends are during this tumultuous period. I see GN, Gotland, and V2. Where's Swedish Match?

I can,t believe they have nothing to say!!!. C,mon Swedish Match, step up...

[khalid]

It's not that simple, I'm afraid. The fact of the matter is that companies like V2 have only a tiny market share in Sweden and the majority of their business is exporting to the US and the EU. It's not that they're noble or courageous or our friends, they simply have no choice but to fight this, because losing the entire EU market would be a major blow to them. On the flip side, SM will have a hard time convincing their shareholders that a legal battle over EU exports is worth it, seeing as how the majority of their business is in Sweden (and the US, to some extent).

However, the only company with enough weight behind them to possibly win the inevitable legal battles is SM. V2, Gotlands et al, no matter their enthusiasm, probably won't make it.

I think SM is probably is being overly cautious in restricting sales from Northerner US to EU.

[chadizzy1]

thank you that you did not mantion us as a tiny

Odenssnus.com today?

[precious007]

I can,t believe they have nothing to say!!!. C,mon Swedish Match, step up...

they probably don't care since they always have a huge growing market in the U.S and probably will concetrate on that one ...

My biggest question is ... how come EU bans snus ... and U.S doesn't give a shit about banning snus ... when it's a much larger tobacco consumer (cigarettes) ... and all the heaviest tobacco companies are located there...

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Odenssnus.com today?

absolutly brother but unfortunatly we going to sell only Odens, Olde Viking and Athertons snufffffffff, cweing tobacco and Makhla type produkts not snuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssss if you know what i meen

[chadizzy1]

absolutly brother but unfortunatly we going to sell only Odens, Olde Viking and Athertons snufffffffff, cweing tobacco and Makhla type produkts not snuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssss if you know what i meen

Completely understand!

[Snusdog]

It's not that simple, I'm afraid. The fact of the matter is that companies like V2 have only a tiny market share in Sweden and the majority of their business is exporting to the US and the EU. It's not that they're noble or courageous or our friends, they simply have no choice but to fight this, because losing the entire EU market would be a major blow to them. On the flip side, SM will have a hard time convincing their shareholders that a legal battle over EU exports is worth it, seeing as how the majority of their business is in Sweden (and the US, to some extent).

However, the only company with enough weight behind them to possibly win the inevitable legal battles is SM. V2, Gotlands et al, no matter their enthusiasm, probably won't make it.

I disagree.

I smell a rat.

SM is not going to just voluntarily walk away from the EU market with the apparent shrug they have so far given.

Something is up

Think about it.............you can import dip to the EU................who is the only snus company with USA tobacco production facilities

Can you say the first real USA snus?

My point is that maybe SM is being targeted because they are the biggest target..............or in some way was behind the mess up with the whole Finland deal

However this does not seem likely

To me I can't help wondering if this is a good ol battle of attrition. SM' voluntary compliance (as the vote on snus regulations is on the horizon in the EU) may well serve as a strategic snow ball effect.......................... to the end that the restrictions on all snus makers is much more drastic than it might have been if SM went kicking and screaming...............

The result: V2, Gotlands, and GN are all ban or severely restricted from the EU market....................while................(and here is the kicker)...............SM announces its first full fledged American produced Swedish style snus.....................for sale in the EU

Seems SM took a little lesson from the Phillip Morris PACT ACT play book on how to use tobacco restrictions to kill competition and bolster sales.


And to my fellow yanks..................if you buy one tin of this demonic SM American snus.................. you will go straight to hell..............right after I ban your ass from this site

[GoVegan]

you agree that everyone in the EU parliament is gay?

I do.

Let's not go this direction please. Being an idiot who creates legislation and being gay are two entirely different things.