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  • khalid
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 348

    Just copied this from the customs and exise web site. I can find nothing to confirm the advice Precious and Frosted were given over the phone.

    TPD18070 – National Advice Service Enquiries - Oral snuff - Snus


    Oral snuff, also known as snus (pronounced snooze), is a tobacco product which consists of a small sachet containing ground tobacco and flavourings. Unlike chewing tobacco oral snuff sachets are placed in the mouth between the gum and the lip. Like other tobacco products the object is to deliver nicotine and this is done by sucking the product and the nicotine soaks through the thin layer of skin into the bloodstream. It comes in different flavours and is marketed by different manufacturers including the major cigarette manufacturers. Recent product launches include Marlboro brand oral snuff in the USA. It is also available in loose form, that is still sucked but not in the small sachet.


    The scope of UK Excise law

    The scope of Tobacco Products Duty is set out in section 1 of the Tobacco Products Duty Act 1979. As oral snuff is not for smoking, the only product type that comes close is chewing tobacco which is included through section 1(1)(e). The meaning of chewing tobacco in relation to the act is further described in The Tobacco Products (Descriptions of Products) Order 2003. Section 8 of the order describes chewing tobacco as a tobacco product which doesn’t come under any of the other descriptions and has been prepared so that it can be chewed. The nature of oral snuff would make it impractical to chew and this is not the intention. Therefore oral snuff is not within the scope of Tobacco Products Duty as currently described in UK law.

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    • precious007
      Banned Users
      • Sep 2010
      • 5885

      Guys if you'd read the article that I've read earlier.... you'll realize that Northerner and other stores was illegally selling snus since 1992.

      I might be wrong though.

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      • muddyfunkstar
        Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 967

        OK, phoned them.

        Firstly, chill out

        I explained that I know it's illegal to sell snus in the UK, and that I've been buying it online from sweden for personal consumption, and to my knowledge that was all OK and above board. The bloke agreed that he thought that was the case, and then went to look some stuff up.

        He came back and confirmed that all he could find regarding snus was that it is banned from sale in most European countries including the UK and that this implies that it is not OK to import for sale, but it's OK to bring it in for personal consumption.

        He directed me to the hmrc website, and the Tobacco Products Duty section (search for notice 476). This ties up with what Khalid just posted.

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        • precious007
          Banned Users
          • Sep 2010
          • 5885

          Originally posted by muddyfunkstar View Post
          OK, phoned them.

          Firstly, chill out

          I explained that I know it's illegal to sell snus in the UK, and that I've been buying it online from sweden for personal consumption, and to my knowledge that was all OK and above board. The bloke agreed that he thought that was the case, and then went to look some stuff up.

          He came back and confirmed that all he could find regarding snus was that it is banned from sale in most European countries including the UK and that this implies that it is not OK to import for sale, but it's OK to bring it in for personal consumption.

          He directed me to the hmrc website, and the Tobacco Products Duty section (search for notice 476). This ties up with what Khalid just posted.
          did you ask how much you're allowed to bring?

          and why did Northerner and everyone else close down the stores if it's LEGAL to sell for personal consumption then?

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          • GN Tobacco Sweden AB
            Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 7035

            this is answer to presios007 They did right because next could be which internet store you name . And they give a possibility to customers buying from US and it was very right then nobady could say them anything , it is not shiped from EU and Sweden is not involvd in any case then everithing is right

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            • Mykislt
              Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 677

              Originally posted by muddyfunkstar View Post
              OK, phoned them.

              Firstly, chill out

              I explained that I know it's illegal to sell snus in the UK, and that I've been buying it online from sweden for personal consumption, and to my knowledge that was all OK and above board. The bloke agreed that he thought that was the case, and then went to look some stuff up.

              He came back and confirmed that all he could find regarding snus was that it is banned from sale in most European countries including the UK and that this implies that it is not OK to import for sale, but it's OK to bring it in for personal consumption.

              He directed me to the hmrc website, and the Tobacco Products Duty section (search for notice 476). This ties up with what Khalid just posted.
              ****ING EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT.

              there was no reason for everyone to get their panties in a bunch.

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              • GN Tobacco Sweden AB
                Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 7035

                Originally posted by Frosted View Post
                Snusdog - you're possibly right.

                Customs have hopefully completely misunderstood both precious and myself. To be honest, I don't have a clue HOW they've misunderstood as I was quite clear.
                More people please phone.
                I'll have another go tomorrow.
                maybe they speak Swenglish as well

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                • Frosted
                  Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 5798

                  OK - just phoned them again and the gentleman I spoke to admitted he didn't have a f***ing clue.

                  He's advised me ring Southend where they classify goods to see whether or not there are any restrictions. We need the classification number for snus and ring on 01702 366077.

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                  • precious007
                    Banned Users
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 5885

                    This product is currently subject to a ban on sale in most European countries including the UK.
                    Tobacco granules and flavourings, designed to be sucked, in small bags or loose.
                    Oral snuff or snus is a tobacco product which consists of a small sachet containing ground tobacco and flavourings. Unlike chewing tobacco oral snuff sachets are placed in the mouth between the gum and the lip. The sale of oral snuff is prohibited in the UK.
                    I guess they didn't update that site, snus is BANNED all across EU.



                    By the way this has been updated in February http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsP...ument#P24_1205

                    HMRC Reference:Notice 476 (February 2011)
                    But I think it's not illegal to buy from US, even though the customs told me it is.

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                    • muddyfunkstar
                      Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 967

                      Originally posted by precious007
                      did you ask how much you're allowed to bring?
                      No, because it's not an issue. We can carry on buying it online from whoever is prepared to sell it to us.

                      and why did Northerner and everyone else close down the stores if it's LEGAL to sell for personal consumption then?
                      Because dark forces are at work in Sweden, and we're not getting any information about them.

                      The important thing is, for the UK anyway (HMRC don't cover Romania, I'm afraid), that we can bring it into the country and it's not covered by the tobacco products duty, so buying from the US should only leave us open to the VAT.

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                      • Mykislt
                        Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 677

                        Originally posted by Frosted View Post
                        OK - just phoned them again and the gentleman I spoke to admitted he didn't have a f***ing clue.

                        He's advised me ring Southend where they classify goods to see whether or not there are any restrictions. We need the classification number for snus and ring on 01702 366077.
                        the hmrc website clearly states that "oral snuff is not within the scope of Tobacco Products Duty as currently described in UK law."

                        there is No UK law involved here. GN says that NO LAW HAS CHANGED, only the "no exit" of snus from sweden law is being started to be "enforced"

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                        • muddyfunkstar
                          Member
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 967

                          Originally posted by precious007
                          I guess they didn't update that site, snus is BANNED all across EU.



                          By the way this has been updated in February http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsP...ument#P24_1205

                          HMRC Reference:Notice 476 (February 2011)
                          But I think it's not illegal to buy from US, even though the customs told me it is.
                          Precious, it's the HMRC, it's a UK thing, they're only concerned with our laws.

                          Chill out man.

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                          • precious007
                            Banned Users
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 5885

                            Originally posted by muddyfunkstar View Post
                            No, because it's not an issue. We can carry on buying it online from whoever is prepared to sell it to us.



                            Because dark forces are at work in Sweden, and we're not getting any information about them.

                            The important thing is, for the UK anyway (HMRC don't cover Romania, I'm afraid), that we can bring it into the country and it's not covered by the tobacco products duty, so buying from the US should only leave us open to the VAT.
                            Romania and UK are both in the EU, thus the same laws apply.

                            I am chilled but they are both in EU.... and the ban comes from the EU, it's not that UK makes the laws or anything

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                            • Frosted
                              Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 5798

                              OK - that's 3 phone calls to HMRC - two answers the same and one haven't a clue answer.

                              I think we can safely say that Customs & Excise in Britain simply haven't an idea what day it is but it might be an idea to ring the above number to put this to bed.

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                              • precious007
                                Banned Users
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 5885

                                I will call in Romania.

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