No More EU To EU Snus Sales! (EU Members Please Read!)

[Frosted]

My dads called Larry.

[precious007]

this thread is turning out funnier than the shit my pants thread


win! win!

and soon more popular than the snuff and gamer's thread in less than 2 days

LOLOL - GN isn't called Larry - GN are his initials.

lolol

GN Tobacco/Gajane is the Copany's Name

[chadizzy1]

Who'se Larry?

SnusCentral is Larry's site.

[Frosted]

and soon more popular than the snuff and gamer's thread in less than 2 days





lolol

GN Tobacco/Gajane is the Copany's Name

They're also his initials - I'm not going to give his name out unless he says it's ok.

[Mordred]

Do we even know that it is an EU directive? Sounds more like SM have put the squeeze on vendors because of a lawsuit. That response from UKIP just sounds like the usual reactionary nonsense from a bunch of narrow-minded insecure Little Englanders.

While the current situation may not be due directly to something that Brussels did, there is no doubt that it was the EU that imposed and maintained the ban on selling Snus in European countries other than Sweden. As such, that is precisely where the problem stems from, and I would have to agree with what the UKIP said in their mail.

The EU is a democratic nightmare, a travesty of what a democracy should be. What started as a free trade agreement has taken on a life of it's own. It no longer exists to benefit the member states, instead, it violates the freedom of each country, ignores the wishes of the people and generally moves more and more towards a totalitarian, collectivist regime. 100% of the people in your country could vote for lifting the Snus ban, but it wouldn't matter, European law supersedes any national law.

For 20 years, we have sent the worst politicians to the EU. Old farts who we wanted to get rid of, young fools whose inane nonsense we didn't want to hear anymore, generally incompetent idiots who gathered votes for one reason or another but were too ridiculous to have in national parliaments. It was only natural that the bureaucrats took over and the EU changed into a control-machine, half nanny-state, half lobby driven nonsense. Laugh at the Swiss and their quaint ways if you like, but they were right. No matter which EU state you live in, you'd do well to support parties that want to curb EU influence or leave it altogether.

As for the problem at hand, the law clearly states that "importing Snus for commercial reasons" is illegal. Now, if I buy Snus in Sweden, I can import it into a EU member state as long as I do not resell it or otherwise put it back on the market. This is how Northerner etc were able to operate. The point of sale was Sweden. So what was/is the problem?

Well, the EU has long wanted to change the law on this issue, making the point of sale the country of the buyer, both for tax reasons and to be able to exert much more control. Because, you see, the EU (and some national governments) wants to get rid of tax differences between countries, especially when it comes to tobacco and alcohol. My country (Luxembourg) had, for the longest time, the lowest taxes on cigarettes. Before the net, this was a nuisance for neighbouring countries, but imagine if this were still the case and you could buy cigarettes from Luxembourgish internet shops with 40% less tax. I'm sure a lot of people would order from us, giving Luxembourg huge tax revenue while starving other countries of tobacco tax money.

As a result, the EU has set to pressure Luxembourg into drastically raising it's tobacco tax, but they still want to attack from the other angle too, that is, make it so that when somebody, say in Germany, orders from a Luxemburgish shop, they would still be considered to have bought that item in Germany and would have to conform to German laws. The attempt to ban EU sales of snus from internet shops is simply an outgrowth of that.

And yes, this issue pisses me off no end because it's 1200 km from here to Malmö and I'm not looking forward to having to drive that far a couple of times a year and/or paying through my nose for re-imported Snus from the US.

[precious007]

They're also his initials - I'm not going to give his name out unless he says it's ok.

I didn't know

He was very kind though, oferring the samples, I'd like them posting more often here :^)

For 20 years, we have sent the worst politicians to the EU. Old farts who we wanted to get rid of, young fools whose inane nonsense we didn't want to hear anymore, generally incompetent idiots who gathered votes for one reason or another but were too ridiculous to have in national parliaments.

I couldn't agree more.

[Frosted]

While the current situation may not be due directly to something that Brussels did, there is no doubt that it was the EU that imposed and maintained the ban on selling Snus in European countries other than Sweden. As such, that is precisely where the problem stems from, and I would have to agree with what the UKIP said in their mail.

The EU is a democratic nightmare, a travesty of what a democracy should be. What started as a free trade agreement has taken on a life of it's own. It no longer exists to benefit the member states, instead, it violates the freedom of each country, ignores the wishes of the people and generally moves more and more towards a totalitarian, collectivist regime. 100% of the people in your country could vote for lifting the Snus ban, but it wouldn't matter, European law supersedes any national law.

For 20 years, we have sent the worst politicians to the EU. Old farts who we wanted to get rid of, young fools whose inane nonsense we didn't want to hear anymore, generally incompetent idiots who gathered votes for one reason or another but were too ridiculous to have in national parliaments. It was only natural that the bureaucrats took over and the EU changed into a control-machine, half nanny-state, half lobby driven nonsense. Laugh at the Swiss and their quaint ways if you like, but they were right. No matter which EU state you live in, you'd do well to support parties that want to curb EU influence or leave it altogether.

As for the problem at hand, the law clearly states that "importing Snus for commercial reasons" is illegal. Now, if I buy Snus in Sweden, I can import it into a EU member state as long as I do not resell it or otherwise put it back on the market. This is how Northerner etc were able to operate. The point of sale was Sweden. So what was/is the problem?

Well, the EU has long wanted to change the law on this issue, making the point of sale the country of the buyer, both for tax reasons and to be able to exert much more control. Because, you see, the EU (and some national governments) wants to get rid of tax differences between countries, especially when it comes to tobacco and alcohol. My country (Luxembourg) had, for the longest time, the lowest taxes on cigarettes. Before the net, this was a nuisance for neighbouring countries, but imagine if this were still the case and you could buy cigarettes from Luxembourgish internet shops with 40% less tax. I'm sure a lot of people would order from us, giving Luxembourg huge tax revenue while starving other countries of tobacco tax money.

As a result, the EU has set to pressure Luxembourg into drastically raising it's tobacco tax, but they still want to attack from the other angle too, that is, make it so that when somebody, say in Germany, orders from a Luxemburgish shop, they would still be considered to have bought that item in Germany and would have to conform to German laws. The attempt to ban EU sales of snus from internet shops is simply an outgrowth of that.

And yes, this issue pisses me off no end because it's 1200 km from here to Malmö and I'm not looking forward to having to drive that far a couple of times a year and/or paying through my nose for re-imported Snus from the US.

Well that's better put than any of the gruntings I've come out with.

[chadizzy1]

I didn't know

He was very kind though, oferring the samples, I'd like them posting more often here :^)



I couldn't agree more.

The Oden's Extreme review thread is about to be 10 pages with all those samples going out!

[precious007]

I don't even get the E.U ...

First of all ... Sweden is in the E.U ...... how the hell do they make the laws?!

If snus sales are banned in E.U doesn't that mean they should ban selling snus in Sweden as well?

Technically yes.

The Oden's Extreme review thread is about to be 10 pages with all those samples going out!

And?

I didn't know G.N are also his name initials

[Frosted]

I don't even get the E.U ...

First of all ... Sweden is in the E.U ...... how the hell do they make the laws?!

If snus sales are banned in E.U doesn't that mean they should ban selling snus in Sweden as well?

Technically yes.



And?

I didn't know G.N are also his name initials

Sweden were exempt the ban because it's part of their national culture.

[Frosted]

Snus is going to have to come from Russia now.

[Snuts]

Frosted thank you for all the trouble you're having. All the information we can get our hands on is valid.
I've sent an email to swedishmatch. Let's see if I can get a response.

Here's the reply from Nigel Farages office:


Dear Mr ******

Thank you for letting Mr Farage know about the EU's latest restriction on tobacco - picking on one of its most innocuous forms - no doubt to reduce the viability of Swedish manufacturers and to discourage snussers who live, or travel, outside Sweden, while preserving the impression, in Sweden, that the EU respects and protects Swedish national customs!

The Society of Snus-makers has an e-mail address swedishsnus@swedishmatch.se for advice on how to obtain their products outside Sweden. See also their website at https://www.swedishmatch.com/en/Glob...-Swedish-snus/

It may be that you can import via the Channel Islands or Isle of Man - which are not in the EU - although it may also be that these Crown Dependencies have succumbed, like Quisling's Norway, to colluding in the EU's ban.

However this may be, the legal situation is certainly not going to improve. Once the EU's iron jaws close on one of our freedoms, they cannot be prised open again. They must be smashed. UKIP wields the hammer. Thank you for your support!

Yours sincerely

Andrew S. Reed

Office of Nigel Farage, Brussels

[Frosted]

Frosted thank you for all the trouble you're having. All the information we can get our hands on is valid.
I've sent an email to swedishmatch. Let's see if I can get a response.

That's great Snuts - any action is good action.
I'm trying to work out when I'm going to get the time to phone Customs. I'm on nights all this week.

[Mordred]

I don't even get the E.U ...

First of all ... Sweden is in the E.U ...... how the hell do they make the laws?!

If snus sales are banned in E.U doesn't that mean they should ban selling snus in Sweden as well?

Technically yes.

When Sweden joined the EU, they specifically stated they would only do so if the ban didn't apply to them. So they can make and sell snus in Sweden as much as they want... for now.

And if you're wondering why Swedish authorities would then turn around and make internet shops stop selling to people in other countries, well, it's political pressure. If the EU really wants something, no nation can refuse anymore. Finland threw a hissy fit about Snus, forcing the Swedes to stop selling to Finland, and, as a result, the rest of the EU.

[Frosted]

I put in an order with Northerner on Sunday - it hasn't shipped. .

Big apology to Northerner - I've just checked again and it has in fact shipped.