No More EU To EU Snus Sales! (EU Members Please Read!)

[Mordred]

Could be Snusdog, could be. But for now, we can only speculate. I wrote a mail to SM asking them if they could clarify the situation, but no answer yet. Let's not throw stones at anybod yet, and I'm sure you'll agree with me that we would both feel a lot better about this if Swedish Match were supportive of the web-shops.

[GoVegan]

I disagree.

I smell a rat.

SM is not going to just voluntarily walk away from the EU market with the apparent shrug they have so far given.

Something is up

Think about it.............you can import dip to the EU................who is the only snus company with USA tobacco production facilities

Can you say the first real USA snus?

My point is that maybe SM is being targeted because they are the biggest target..............or in some way was behind the mess up with the whole Finland deal

However this does not seem likely

To me I can't help wondering if this is a good ol battle of attrition. SM' voluntary compliance (as the vote on snus regulations is on the horizon in the EU) may well serve as a strategic snow ball effect.......................... to the end that the restrictions on all snus makers is much more drastic than it might have been if SM went kicking and screaming...............

The result: V2, Gotlands, and GN are all ban or severely restricted from the EU market....................while................(and here is the kicker)...............SM announces its first full fledged American produced Swedish style snus.....................for sale in the EU

Seems SM took a little lesson from the Phillip Morris PACT ACT play book on how to use tobacco restrictions to kill competition and bolster sales.


And to my fellow yanks..................if you buy one tin of this demonic SM American snus.................. you will go straight to hell..............right after I ban your ass from this site

Don't you just love it when tobacco companies get behind some proposed tobacco tax or anti tobacco legislation? In the end, their greed will cost them far more than the short term profits they have earned. They are part of the reason we have this anti tobacco public sentiment and the public isn't picking and choosing between companies. The just want tobacco banned period.

[khalid]

I disagree.

I smell a rat.

SM is not going to just voluntarily walk away from the EU market with the apparent shrug they have so far given.

Something is up

Think about it.............you can import dip to the EU................who is the only snus company with USA tobacco production facilities

Can you say the first real USA snus?

My point is that maybe SM is being targeted because they are the biggest target..............or in some way was behind the mess up with the whole Finland deal

However this does not seem likely

To me I can't help wondering if this is a good ol battle of attrition. SM' voluntary compliance (as the vote on snus regulations is on the horizon in the EU) may well serve as a strategic snow ball effect.......................... to the end that the restrictions on all snus makers is much more drastic than it might have been if SM went kicking and screaming...............

The result: V2, Gotlands, and GN are all ban or severely restricted from the EU market....................while................(and here is the kicker)...............SM announces its first full fledged American produced Swedish style snus.....................for sale in the EU

Seems SM took a little lesson from the Phillip Morris PACT ACT play book on how to use tobacco restrictions to kill competition and bolster sales.


And to my fellow yanks..................if you buy one tin of this demonic SM American snus.................. you will go straight to hell..............right after I ban your ass from this site

Interesting theory, plausible too. SM are very tricky. There are so many unknowns in all this. I guess we will know which way the wind is blowing when the EU TPD review kicks off later this year. I still think that EU legalisation of snus is a possibility, all be it with a million caveats.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

I disagree.

I smell a rat.

SM is not going to just voluntarily walk away from the EU market with the apparent shrug they have so far given.

Something is up

Think about it.............you can import dip to the EU................who is the only snus company with USA tobacco production facilities

Can you say the first real USA snus?

My point is that maybe SM is being targeted because they are the biggest target..............or in some way was behind the mess up with the whole Finland deal

However this does not seem likely

To me I can't help wondering if this is a good ol battle of attrition. SM' voluntary compliance (as the vote on snus regulations is on the horizon in the EU) may well serve as a strategic snow ball effect.......................... to the end that the restrictions on all snus makers is much more drastic than it might have been if SM went kicking and screaming...............

The result: V2, Gotlands, and GN are all ban or severely restricted from the EU market....................while................(and here is the kicker)...............SM announces its first full fledged American produced Swedish style snus.....................for sale in the EU

Seems SM took a little lesson from the Phillip Morris PACT ACT play book on how to use tobacco restrictions to kill competition and bolster sales.


And to my fellow yanks..................if you buy one tin of this demonic SM American snus.................. you will go straight to hell..............right after I ban your ass from this site

Snusdog no body can take away our GN produkts from our EU customers , no EU Parlament not SM not Kadaffi only God and we have goooooooog ralations to him

[heders]

Hey guys thanks for filling us in.........even thought the news is not good at all.

One question................is Northerner contacting the non-FDA registered snus makers and trying to get them to register their snus with the FDA

It seems with SM banned there is a giant void in the market that these companies could fill ................(to their advantage, Northerners advantage, and our advantage).

And by the way.................I guess about now that whole crazy idea of putting a warehouse in the USA.................is looking pretty freaking brilliant!!!

I can't understand how the ones who made this rule thinks... A lot who successfully gave up cigarettes thanks to snus are probably gonna go back to smoking since there is no other alternative except to quit. Hope they feel good... idiots! Hmpf.

And I don't understand if this really applies exclusively to Swedish Match products or not. If the ban is on ALL snus, then it is the worst news ever. If it's only SM:s products, then it's still very bad news, but not the worst, since a lot of other companies make good snus.

If the smaller companies get exclusive EU distribution, then maybe they will grow a lot, which is great.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

I can't understand how the ones who made this rule thinks... A lot who successfully gave up cigarettes thanks to snus are probably gonna go back to smoking since there is no other alternative except to quit. Hope they feel good... idiots! Hmpf.

And I don't understand if this really applies exclusively to Swedish Match products or not. If the ban is on ALL snus, then it is the worst news ever. If it's only SM:s products, then it's still very bad news, but not the worst, since a lot of other companies make good snus.

Guys it dose not wark like that it is not SM conspirasy
it is very simple one country F. procecuter goon against snusworld.com and others afraid thats it , belive us we know what we say

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Guys it dose not wark like that it is not SM conspirasy
it is very simple one country F. procecuter goon against snusworld.com and others afraid thats it , belive us we know what we say

SM just wants to folow the ruls they are big- capish?

[Snusdog]

Could be Snusdog, could be. But for now, we can only speculate. I wrote a mail to SM asking them if they could clarify the situation, but no answer yet. Let's not throw stones at anybod yet, and I'm sure you'll agree with me that we would both feel a lot better about this if Swedish Match were supportive of the web-shops.

I agree that it is only speculation

I think you will also agree that SM is NOT behind the web shops but has enacted a voluntary shut down of all its products across the board

What we don't know is why.

What we can say is that there shut down is not the result of an EU directive (there is no legislation on the books that we know of)

A Finish court has jurisdiction in Finland not the whole of the EU. Its decision may well effect EU wide policy..............but it is not itself EU wide policy.

While I absolutely hope that I am wrong on this for all our sakes................the scenario that I presented seems to bring into focus all the bits and pieces we have so far

Speculation?...............absolutly................... ...Outlandish speculation?......................not at all

There may be something far less insidious behind all this......................I hope so with all my heart

But after PACT....................not much is going to surprise me

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

I agree that it is only speculation

I think you will also agree that SM is NOT behind the web shops but has enacted a voluntary shut down of all its products across the board

What we don't know is why.

What we can say is that there shut down is not the result of an EU directive (there is no legislation on the books that we know of)

A Finish court has jurisdiction in Finland not the whole of the EU. Its decision may well effect EU wide policy..............but it is not itself EU wide policy.

While I absolutely hope that I am wrong on this for all our sakes................the scenario that I presented seems to bring into focus all the bits and pieces we have so far

Speculation?...............absolutly................... ...Outlandish speculation?......................not at all

There may be something far less insidious behind all this......................I hope so with all my heart

But after PACT....................not much is going to surprise me

Sweden has signed adokument to EU in 1994 where it takes on him to not alow sending snus to EU -Finish used that against snusworld that is it

[Snusdog]

Guys it dose not wark like that it is not SM conspirasy
it is very simple one country F. procecuter goon against snusworld.com and others afraid thats it , belive us we know what we say

I was typing as you posted this.

This is very.........VERY good to hear.

Thank you for filling us in

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[Jan]

Guys it dose not wark like that it is not SM conspirasy
it is very simple one country F. procecuter goon against snusworld.com and others afraid thats it , belive us we know what we say

O course. That stupid deep routed Finnish dislike of everything Swedish. I can see Finland trying to align itself with Russia as of lately, they are even attempting to eradicate Swedish language teaching in the east of the country and replacing it with mandatory russian. Nokia versus Ericsson, Finnish design furniture versus IKEA, Finlandia vodka versus Absolut vodka, the finns have lost it all and are now attacking another swedish invention. That this hurts innocent people far away from Scandinavia and goes against all logic and fare trade, it does not worry them at all.
|BTw: It was in the news lately that finnish sauna can be very bad for your health.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

I was typing as you posted this.

This is very.........VERY good to hear.

Thank you for filling us in

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always yours GN

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

O course. That stupid deep routed Finnish dislike of everything Swedish. I can see Finland trying to align itself with Russia as of lately, they are even attempting to eradicate Swedish language teaching in the east of the country and replacing it with mandatory russian. Nokia versus Ericsson, Finnish design furniture versus IKEA, Finlandia vodka versus Absolut vodka, the finns have lost it all and are now attacking another swedish invention. That this hurts innocent people far away from Scandinavia and goes against all logic and fare trade, it does not worry them at all.
|BTw: It was in the news lately that finnish sauna can be very bad for your health.

brother take it easy our Finish worker is under arest his name FREDDY Bredy hi is our brother from another mother

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

If you are having such good relations with him tell him I want my dog back! "And I would still have my dog if he had been licking an Odens Kanal portion instead of his balls all the time"!

Best of luck with the site launch!

you are best

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

No, you are best!

Congratulations on making this one of the best 50 page Threads of all time, it really cheered me up in extremely Sad times. God Speed!

sincerely yours
GE