Ok guys, just came from the customs now...

[Frosted]

Haha. Frosted, you,d want to have some hole to fit 100 cans of Snus up there. Lol

Why thank you

[bill77.017]

Why thank you

Your welcome, lol. Just kidding mate.

[jdman321]

Good job precious.

[Kstolen23]

We're going to have to use cocaine smuggling tactics here by swallowing them or sticking them up our butts.

Do that with Camel Snus and they taste better : D.

[precious007]

@muddy

you might want to check the site again, no offense but I didn't call anyone a toddler

put your glasses on

If someone from UK has been keen to read correctly the HM Revenue & Customs would have found this:

Tax and duty on goods brought to the UK from outside the European Union
Tobacco allowances
You can bring in one from the following list:
200 cigarettes
100 cigarillos
50 cigars
250g of tobacco

and 50 grams of tobacco through packages

more here http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/arriv...ivingnoneu.htm

[precious007]

I guess I can't even order two tins of dip or snus in one package anymore.

That's ****ed to be honest, but hey ! I will have 30 small packages sent to me every two months LMAO

[snusgetter]

@muddy

you might want to check the site again, no offense but I didn't call anyone a toddler

put your glasses on

I believe he was referring to you as a toddler!!

[precious007]

I believe he was referring to you as a toddler!!

I know :^)

he should put the glasses on and read the laws correctly

[sgreger1]

Wait so how are they enforcing this, are they literally opening up every package looking for tobacco and weighing it's contents? If I were to take 3 zip lock bags of loose and mail them to precious, what are the odds of that getting caught. And even fi it were caught, are there any real penalties, or do they just confiscate whatever you have?

I think if we work as a group there must be some way to defeat this, i'm not willing to stand by while people in the EU are forced to order a can a day or whatever Precious is going on about lol.

[precious007]

Wait so how are they enforcing this, are they literally opening up every package looking for tobacco and weighing it's contents? If I were to take 3 zip lock bags of loose and mail them to precious, what are the odds of that getting caught. And even fi it were caught, are there any real penalties, or do they just confiscate whatever you have?

I think if we work as a group there must be some way to defeat this, i'm not willing to stand by while people in the EU are forced to order a can a day or whatever Precious is going on about lol.

they just confiscate whatever you have, because the customs here open each package when you pick it up. (actually YOU have to open the package in front of the customs and check if the products match the invoice that you have to show them along with the bank transaction paper.

[khalid]

Links below to legislation amendments on tobacco that came in to effect this year.

I find no amendments relating to importation from outside the EU of oral snuff for personal use. Indeed all the amendments pertain specifically to smoking tobacco in its various forms. In previous postings, duty for 'tobacco' has been quoted. Within the scope of the legislation, this means, other smoking tobacco, not oral tobacco.

It would be odd for the EU to have a tax scale for a product that is banned from sale and it indeed does not appear to have one. Customs, when looking through the guidance will see the category, 'other tobacco,' and decide that this is where Snus belongs. They are wrong but good luck arguing the toss with them.

Just enter these directive codes into google and the relevant page comes up:

Council Directive 2010/12/EU of 16 February 2010 amending Directives 92/79/EEC, 92/80/EEC and 95/59/EC on the structure and rates of excise duty applied on manufactured tobacco and Directive 2008/118/EC

This page: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs...s/index_en.htm Details the differential exise duty rates on tobacco within EU states as at 1st march 2011.

[precious007]

Links below to legislation amendments on tobacco that came in to effect this year.

I find no amendments relating to importation from outside the EU of oral snuff for personal use. Indeed all the amendments pertain specifically to smoking tobacco in its various forms. In previous postings, duty for 'tobacco' has been quoted. Within the scope of the legislation, this means, other smoking tobacco, not oral tobacco.

It would be odd for the EU to have a tax scale for a product that is banned from sale and it indeed does not appear to have one. Customs, when looking through the guidance will see the category, 'other tobacco,' and decide that this is where Snus belongs. They are wrong but good luck arguing the toss with them.

Council Directive 2010/12/EU of 16 February 2010 amending Directives 92/79/EEC, 92/80/EEC and 95/59/EC on the structure and rates of excise duty applied on manufactured tobacco and Directive 2008/118/EC

This page: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs...s/index_en.htm Details the differential exise duty rates on tobacco within EU states as at 1st march 2011.

khalid that website is a totally different story

they're referring to taxation per products that are being imported from member states and ATTENTION sold to the regular customers in another EU state by legit companies/tobacco dealers.

Has nothing to do with buying tobacco products personally or bringing tobacco in the EU state for personal consumption

you have nothing to do with WAP or VAT because you're not selling the tobacco.

[precious007]

Moreover in Romania if you're a legit SLR or PFA (that is like owning your own tobacco shops LLC or familiar business type of business) you are allowed to bring as much tobacco as you like.... and that's when the taxation you've mention will apply

totally different story...

[Premium Parrots]

I wonder if they will ban or tax the can of worms this thread is opening...........


and does it make a difference if that can of worms is for personal consumption?
or if it is recieved from within the EU or outside the EU?
whether that can of worms its a gift or not?
and what about the fishes? what will they eat?

[chainsnuser]

It has already been said, but the customs regulations apply only for tobacco that is taxable.

Smokeless tobacco is not taxable/dutiable in most EU-countries, if it comes from inside the EU. You can import as much as is reasonable for personal use, even 12 rolls of snus as a once-per-year order to put in the freezer would be reasonable IMHO.

Also, if you "re-import" from the USA or Norway, you only have to pay the national VAT (mostly between 19% and 25%), if the order is higher than 22 Euros and the EU import duty for general goods (which should be 41.6% in all EU-countries AFAIK), if the value is higher than 150 Euros. Together, these taxes/duties are about as high as the Swedish taxes when ordering from Sweden to the EU.

Our actual problems have nothing to do with import regulations in single countries. There is no import ban for snus (except for Finland, of course). The problem obviously is an export ban in the Swedish law that has never been enforced until recently, and a general uncertainty regarding the lawsuit against Snusworldwide.

That's not to say that one doesn't have to expect any problems when dealing with customs. The laws are very complicated to understand. A customs officer usually is not a law-expert for "exotic", rarely or never before seen tobacco products (except in Norway maybe, where Swedish snus is pretty popular). One cannot expect that a customs officer automatically sees snus correctly as a general good (like a record or a piece of clothing etc.).

So, shortly said, if you import tobacco, no matter if dutiable or not, you always have to expect trouble (like precious007 experienced). Like lxskllr pointed out, the customs officers naturally have the upper hand, even if they're doing wrong (e.g. by confiscating a shipment).

Cheers!