Swedish Match should buy Star Scientific!!

[stubby2]

If my memory serves me right, and sometimes if doesn't, Bill Godshall commented on this (though I can't find the source as it's buried somewhere in the ECF site) Star Scientific is trying to get there moist snuff approved as a modified tobacco product by the FDA. If you know anything about that you will know what a mess it is. The process isn't even set up yet by the FDA and could take years to do so. I believe Larry Waters has commented on that over at Snus Central. Last I heard Star Scientific was not planning to market there moist snuff until it was approved as a modified risk product.

Star Scientific has also developed an ultra low TSNA dissolvable with even lower levels then Stonewalls and Ariva. Not sure what's going on with that one but the FDA did some odd stuff when they decided that Star Scientific's new dissolvables where not tobacco products, or at least not under there regulatory domain.

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/...n-on-star.html

We shall see if that one hits the market

[ABW]

If my memory serves me right, and sometimes if doesn't, Bill Godshall commented on this (though I can't find the source as it's buried somewhere in the ECF site) Star Scientific is trying to get there moist snuff approved as a modified tobacco product by the FDA. If you know anything about that you will know what a mess it is. The process isn't even set up yet by the FDA and could take years to do so. I believe Larry Waters has commented on that over at Snus Central. Last I heard Star Scientific was not planning to market there moist snuff until it was approved as a modified risk product.

Star Scientific has also developed an ultra low TSNA dissolvable with even lower levels then Stonewalls and Ariva. Not sure what's going on with that one but the FDA did some odd stuff when they decided that Star Scientific's new dissolvables where not tobacco products, or at least not under there regulatory domain.

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/...n-on-star.html

We shall see if that one hits the market

Thanks Stubby...You are correct but from what I understand they are trying to license their technology or something to that effect.

[Jwalker]

Yeah the FDA said the dissolvables aren't tobacco products which is insane since they're made from tobacco. So in america a camel dissolvable is a tobacco product but one with lower levels of toxins still made from tobacco is no longer a tobacco product.

[lxskllr]

I agree but stopping them is important.. Just look at our friends overseas... It also can't hurt to make it even safer.. Right?

Not at the expense of taste. I like real Swedish snus, and I'm comfortable with the risk factor as-is. If real Swedish snus can be safer without affecting taste, then great. Otherwise, I'm not interested.

[ABW]

Not at the expense of taste. I like real Swedish snus, and I'm comfortable with the risk factor as-is. If real Swedish snus can be safer without affecting taste, then great. Otherwise, I'm not interested.

I agree 1000% percent and don't know if it would take away from flavor or not.. These are all things to be looked at by someone much smarter than I. Nonetheless, it should be looked at...

[stubby2]

Not at the expense of taste. I like real Swedish snus, and I'm comfortable with the risk factor as-is. If real Swedish snus can be safer without affecting taste, then great. Otherwise, I'm not interested.

I've been doing Stonewalls on a regular basis for the last 6 months. Two a day is the maximum I can do and that's a rarity. Normally I do one a day as a kind of treat. They're very sweet, with the natural being the least sweet (but still sweet by anyones standards except a 5 year old). I'm not overly impressed with there choice of taste at this point. Certainly wouldn't work as an all day thing. They are better then US Camel snus, though that's a pretty low standard to live up to.

[lxskllr]

I've been doing Stonewalls on a regular basis for the last 6 months. Two a day is the maximum I can do and that's a rarity. Normally I do one a day as a kind of treat. They're very sweet, with the natural being the least sweet (but still sweet by anyones standards except a 5 year old). I'm not overly impressed with there choice of taste at this point. Certainly wouldn't work as an all day thing. They are better then US Camel snus, though that's a pretty low standard to live up to.

Yea, I've had Ariva, or maybe it was Stonewall; I dunno, but it's a lackluster experience. It's pharmaceutical nicotine without having to go through the hassle of medical testing. I don't have hopes for any technological snus. It might be fine for people who use snus to quit smoking, where the primary concern is they aren't smoking, but I don't see them making anything for tobacco aficionados.

[snusjus]

People forget that Swedish snus had higher levels of TSNAs decades ago. With changes in manufacturing and curing tobacco, the levels have dropped dramatically, with no discernible difference in flavor. I wouldn't mind seeing Swedish Match/Gothiatek using the curing methods of Star Scientific, as it would drastically increase the likelihood snus would be legalized in the European Union. Conversely, TSNA levels in snus products are low enough -- lowering the levels more wouldn't decrease the risks associated with snus use.

[ABW]

Finally.. Someone who understands my point.. Lower is better if only for the reason that it makes it less of a target. Remove ALL the carcinogens and there is nothing left for the EU or the tobacco hate groups to cry about.. Well.. There is Vit N but that's not going anywhere..

[ABW]

Yea, I've had Ariva, or maybe it was Stonewall; I dunno, but it's a lackluster experience. It's pharmaceutical nicotine without having to go through the hassle of medical testing. I don't have hopes for any technological snus. It might be fine for people who use snus to quit smoking, where the primary concern is they aren't smoking, but I don't see them making anything for tobacco aficionados.

I agree... the stonewalls are no replacement for Real snus but what I am refer to is their new process for moist tobacco..