Chasing the buzz.

[alopezg1]

but if you can't feel anything anymore , why do it?

[squeezyjohn]

But alopezg1 - there's no nirvana to be had with nicotine ... none at all ... and there never will be ... you use nicotine enough and the only feeling you can get from it is relief from the withdrawals! It's the stupidest, least rewarding drug in many ways! If you get the buzz you like - within a few days you will have to up the dose to maintain it ... which can only escalate until it gives you heart problems!

I've resigned myself to the fact that given I stuff myself full of tobacco all the time ... I might as well become a kind of gourmet for all the flavours available on the tobacco spectrum! But as for any kind of mental state gained from vitamin N ... it's only really achievable by deliberately withdrawing first!

[alopezg1]

yes i agree. But when i smoked i would wake up in the morning and smoking a cigarette very quickly and i would get an enormous headrush and a giddy light headed feeling. I did this every morning and always had this , sometimes i would go to get up after my cigarette and fall flat on my face because of the head rush . It sounds perverse but i enjoyed this feeling , and the hige sense of release and relief i go from that first cigarette. I would smoke as little as i possibly could throughout the day so that each cigarette felt as 'good' as possible . I smoked about 6-7 cigs a day. I suppose i was - and am- just hopelessly addicted to nicotine and was trying to make it as enjoyable , or at least as eventful as possible. I do get a nice mellow feeling from snus a couple of times a day , but it's nothing to feeling of a cigarette , which is a bit like being fired out of the nicotine cannon into space , snus is leisurely climb on a ski lift. Trouble is the cannon approach was killing me , so i realised i had to stop , but i can't . I am completely fixated with it

[alopezg1]

It does that to people. This is why crack meth are a great deal more addictive than cocaine or speed. It's the delivery and the speed with your withdrawal is reduced i suppose .

[squeezyjohn]

I know the feeling you mean ... the one closely followed by a swift trip to the toilet? I preferred mine over a cup of coffee back in the smoking days ...

The intensity of that cigarette rush is all to do with how quickly the nicotine is getting in your system after a gap abstaining ... I can get a similar thing with a good Extra Stark in the mornings even now ... but if that's the thing you're after you should definitely get in to nasal snuff and have the odd whiff that gets to work even faster than smoking.

Personally I prefer the slower pace of snus now most of the time.

[Andy105]

but if you can't feel anything anymore , why do it?

I never got a buzz from it. There's just a calming effect that keeps the cravings at bay. It's insidious how you have to develop a taste for it, and then feel a need for it all of time.
At least with liquor, you can blame drunkenness for bad decisions.

[alopezg1]

Yes often followed by a trip to the toilet. The thing is though i think it probably is best if I move away from that fixation because it's just very addictive behaviour. I think i do enjoy snus , but a part of my brain is just obsessed with this mule kick sensation , and stops me enjoying snus so much because my brain is partly expecting that kick . Having said that, the last time i smoked a cigarette, it was once again unpleasant, not as unpleasant as it has been but certainly not much fun. After i smoked it i felt completely wired for about an hour , i never remember feeling like that as a smoker , but i just felt very on edge , and was aware of a lot 'stuff' coursing through my system . Strangely enough i put in a pris about an hour after and it really calmed me down and got me feeling back to normal again. I think the addiction might be shifting in that direction, which is obviously the way i want it to go , i just have to appease the nicotine beast somehow, that it's ok , and that i don't need to be kicked in the head by a mule every morning

[alopezg1]

I think it also has something to do with carbon monoxide

[alopezg1]

I never got a buzz from it. There's just a calming effect that keeps the cravings at bay. It's insidious how you have to develop a taste for it, and then feel a need for it all of time.
At least with liquor, you can blame drunkenness for bad decisions.

Yes it's shit. That's what that Allen carr fellow says in his book, as though it's some great revelation and he had to write a whole book about it

[trebli]

I never got a buzz from it. There's just a calming effect that keeps the cravings at bay. It's insidious how you have to develop a taste for it, and then feel a need for it all of time. At least with liquor, you can blame drunkenness for bad decisions.

That has been my experience too.

[alopezg1]

ironically i think it may make it easier to stop or switch with the smoking if yoou were a heavier smoker because if you smoke lightly you get a buzz to some extent off each cigarette , but if you're smoking 20-40 cigs a day you're not going to notice a great deal many of those

[Skell18]

but if you can't feel anything anymore , why do it?

because im im addicted, with snus I choose what I use by what I want to taste, depends on mood,madder bonus of feeling calm as I'm not craving.

But alopezg1 - there's no nirvana to be had with nicotine ... none at all ... and there never will be ... you use nicotine enough and the only feeling you can get from it is relief from the withdrawals! It's the stupidest, least rewarding drug in many ways! If you get the buzz you like - within a few days you will have to up the dose to maintain it ... which can only escalate until it gives you heart problems!

I've resigned myself to the fact that given I stuff myself full of tobacco all the time ... I might as well become a kind of gourmet for all the flavours available on the tobacco spectrum! But as for any kind of mental state gained from vitamin N ... it's only really achievable by deliberately withdrawing first!

I never got a buzz from it. There's just a calming effect that keeps the cravings at bay. It's insidious how you have to develop a taste for it, and then feel a need for it all of time.
At least with liquor, you can blame drunkenness for bad decisions.

Yes to the above, I never got a rush from smoking either, I never smoked in the morning either and even now I don't have my first snus till after lunch normally.

[dquinn104]

I used to get a 30 second buzz from the first smoke in the morning. After that it was just maintaining the right nicotine level to keep me from getting grumpy. With snus, or any oral tobacco really, its totally different. It has a much more sedative effect and I really enjoy it. Helps with focus and keeps my anxiety at bay. I dont really think about it that much. I enjoy the taste, the way it makes me feel, and its probably less hazardous than other forms of tobacco or even some medications that produce the same effects.

[spinyeel]

Jakobsson's Dynamite blew my mind the other morning,on the way to work. Hell it's strong.

[whalen]

but if you can't feel anything anymore , why do it?

Like shagging on too much tequila? Why o why......!