What do they put on or in the pouches that does not exist in the los?

[mattarios]

So as I am sure some of you know from reading my thread in the health section I was having issues with snus burning my throat from the high ph.

After giving my throat time to heal I started testing and concluded swallowing the snus was a no go for me but as long as I didn't swallow I was fine. Well, after a week or so of using only los I have had no issues. But last night I had a portion of thunder berry, and 15 min after I took it out I got that awful dry throat again, which is what I had when I torched my throat after months of use.

I know it has nothing to do with PH in this scenario because I tested the PH of granit los and it was 8.7 which is almost as high as it gets and it gave me no issues when spitting not swallowing.

So I think I am getting even further realizing the pouches are a no no for me. What is in the pouches that isn't in los? Isn't there like pepper or snus spray on the pouches?

[lxskllr]

They should be virtually identical, though lös does have added humectants. You sure it isn't just brand? The most reliable way of checking your hypothesis would be to limit yourself to one brand, and two styles, eg Ettan portion, and Ettan lös, and see if you notice any difference.

[mattarios]

Well I had gone through 3/4 of a can of thunder frosted los with 0 issues. Then I had 1 pouch of thunder berry and boom dry throat. So they are both thunder but one was frosted and the other was berry.

I do notice the thunder pouches are always soaked and their los isn't nearly as moist not sure if that has anything to do with it.

[heders]

It's that the portions are moister. More drip equals more throat burn. Also, a higher nicotine level equals more throat burn.

[mattarios]

yeah that is what I was thinking, the pouches are always soaked, even when I was spitting my throat felt kinda ... warm. But with los I never felt that way. So I agree heders that is what I am leaning towards at this point.

[Los ßnus]

I have a similar issue with Genral Los vs General White Portions.

when I use general white portions, I have 20 - 30 minutes before I get a burning drip. The los, I never got a drip from, only little bits and pieces of loose snus like coffee grits.

I can leave a handbaked pris in for like an hour with no issues what so ever. The portions, I throw out after 30 min cause they start to drip like crazy and if I just ignore it, they get crazy slimy and start to get harsh.

[mattarios]

Yeah F portions, every time I use them I say to myself why am I even using these? Los is so much better. I do understand though if you need to be discrete and work etc.

[Snusdog]

Yeah F portions, every time I use them I say to myself why am I even using these? Los is so much better. I do understand though if you need to be discrete and work etc.

Los rocks!!!!

But if there are going to be those times when you need discretion....... and you want to find a portion that works ....

I think I would try a type of portion from another company (other than V2) and see if the same thing happens. Not that there is anything wrong with V2 but there may be something they are using in their portions that does not agree with you. Switching companies may let you know if it is an isolated incident.

I would also stay away from the heavier American type flavors at first (Berry, Mint, Wintergreen). I also would do my test run with a regular strength portion (nothing stark).

In most cases, companies enhance the flavor of the portions at the end of the process (and maybe even the nic in some cases) by spraying them with a solution. This concentration of flavoring and nic might be the cause of the irritation. I am guessing that a more natural flavored snus that is regular strength will have less chance of bothering you.

Give Tre Ankare or Ettan a try and see how those work

Keep us posted

[shortiee4]

I would also give white portions a try. Less drip should equate to less throat burning from that drip. That's the way I see it at least. My throat burns every-so-often from the drip, but I've never found it to be that big of a problem.

[UsualSnuspects]

For some people, propylene glycol (E 1520) is an irritant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propyle...ergic_reaction, though I see it listed on both my lös and portions of Ettan.

[GoVegan]

Fiberglass.

[Ephemeris]

Portioned snus and lös snus have pretty much the same ingredients but in different proportions. Lös snus gets a bigger dose of propylene glycol (E 1520) than portions so that it will stay as moist as possible in those fiberboard canisters.

On the other hand, portioned snus is hindered by the pouch material, which blocks flavor and nicotine absorption. Portioned snus gets a heavier dose of sodium bicarbonate and the flavoring is increased a wee bit. Original portions go a step further and get a sprayed-on coating that consists of water and the same flavorings that go into the snus.

If you're getting throat burn from portions but not from the loose, the only real culprit should be E500 which is more abundant in portioned snus. Sodium bicarbonate promotes salivation, which means that you're probably getting more run-off juice than you do from lös, hence the burn.

(Note: this info comes from what I've learned with my discussions from Swedish Match, but should be pretty standard among all manufacturers). FWIW, all of the Thunder products tend to give me a less-than pleasant swallow due to certain ingredients that v2 uses.

[Snusdog]

Portioned snus and lös snus have pretty much the same ingredients but in different proportions. Lös snus gets a bigger dose of propylene glycol (E 1520) than portions so that it will stay as moist as possible in those fiberboard canisters.

On the other hand, portioned snus is hindered by the pouch material, which blocks flavor and nicotine absorption. Portioned snus gets a heavier dose of sodium bicarbonate and the flavoring is increased a wee bit. Original portions go a step further and get a sprayed-on coating that consists of water and the same flavorings that go into the snus.

If you're getting throat burn from portions but not from the loose, the only real culprit should be E500 which is more abundant in portioned snus. Sodium bicarbonate promotes salivation, which means that you're probably getting more run-off juice than you do from lös, hence the burn.

(Note: this info comes from what I've learned with my discussions from Swedish Match, but should be pretty standard among all manufacturers). FWIW, all of the Thunder products tend to give me a less-than pleasant swallow due to certain ingredients that v2 uses.

E,

That is some very good info and nice to know. Thanks for posting it!

[mattarios]

Well there ya go :-p

Yah Snusdog, I have tried other portions in the past, general silver and grovsnus svart both destroyed my throat, same goes for 06 portions, and 02 portions. I think the only portion that didn't kill me was skruf slim portions.

It's no big deal as I will never need to be discrete so los will always be the winner, I was just curious.

Thanks for the info guys!

[Los ßnus]

Well there ya go :-p

Yah Snusdog, I have tried other portions in the past, general silver and grovsnus svart both destroyed my throat, same goes for 06 portions, and 02 portions. I think the only portion that didn't kill me was skruf slim portions.

It's no big deal as I will never need to be discrete so los will always be the winner, I was just curious.

Thanks for the info guys!

Just tried out Skruf stark white and I do not get the burning drip like I do from general whites. Haven't tried a general white sterk so I can't comment there.