Phillip Morris 1847

[Slydel]

I don't think it is that bad at all. Nice flavor. I have noticed an aftertaste. I can not compare it to grov or onyx since I have not tried them in portion form. I got an 1847 in right now. Not bad, I suppose I will not buy it again unless I want another tin because it is not overly exceptional for the price. Overall I am happy with the purchase.

[Jason]

I don't like it. I've only tried the white portions so far, but I'm pretty sure the regular portions won't win me over. There is definitely that nasty Phantom-like taste in there, although it is a lot less pronounced.

To add insult to injury, both of the tins were dented when I received them... :cry:

[eli]

I just opened my can last night, I thought the taste was very similar to Lucky Strike, only with a hint of unpleasant "metallic" flavor (best way I can describe it, like sucking on a penny, although less so). I'd take LS over these any day (and I think the LS has a better tin anyhow.

[KarlvB]

I tried the Original portion last night....not bad and I can definitely see why people would make the comparison to Grov. I also thought it was slightly reminiscent of General.

I'll use it over the weekend to form a proper opinion, but for now I don't see how it can replace Grov or Retro Original on my list of regular buys.

Ps: I find it very strange that PM has released very little information about it....Where are all the press releases?

[Xobeloot]

If they had press releases re: 1847, they would personally be backing up the conspiracy theory that they intentionally released a sub-par product in America to keep people smoking. The fact that they have a great product (a true Swedish snus) on the market at the same time that atrocity known as Marlboro "snus" is being sold in America. I do not think that a press release would work in their favor. That is, unless, they plan on offering 1847 to the American public.

I quite enjoy 1847. A couple of my cigarette smoking buddies tried it while I was in Tampa and they too liked it. If PM would bring 1847 to the American public as an over-the-counter item, they would have a product that would crush the theory that they are marketing a fake "snus" product (marlboro "snus") in attempts to be able to say that they offered a harm reduction product but "snus" is not a viable means for smokers to quit. In doing this, they save their own ass on future lawsuits that say that they never attempted any harm reduction.


I'm basically just reiterating things I have read in an article that was posted here along with my thoughts on why they havent made much press on 1847.

Any other thoughts on this theory?

[KarlvB]

Xobeloot, I follow your reasoning. I read that article as well, but I don't know if I agree entirely with you.

PM can always argue that they released two products intentionally and that both were part of a marketing strategy to enter two very different markets.

So basically they claim ignorance and say that they thought the Marlboro snus was what they thought the American market really wanted (and of course try and back it up by some half-arsed consumer survey).

My concern is rather about the lack of transparency and info about 1847. Whereas, all the companies we all support (Gotland, F&L, SM, Skruf) are very open about their manufacturing processes, TSNA levels, and the facts behind snus use (addiction, health risk etc) we get no info from PM at all. They just buy a small producer and then suddenly release a product on the market.

Or maybe it is the fact that PM realises that as an outsider in a market steeped in tradition they have to build up their brand image from scratch, and not be held back by all the negative connotations of being PM?


Ps: 1847 is the year that PM opened their first cigarette shop in London on Bond Street. This seems to indicate they are trying to play on their history.

PPs: I still find it funny to go read the Rocker press release on Buysnus

"Rocker will pursue its own strategy in terms of products and price strategy and leaves it to "the fat cats" in the Tobacco oligopoly to copy each other."

[The Cook]

I was surprised by 1847. At first, I thought it would be candy flavoured, but it's definitely not. After consuming half a tin, I finally was able to pin down the background taste - it's oranges, a good citrus taste. This is for sure a great tasting snus, I'm amazed that Phillip Morris created a real Swedish snus.

[Mr. Unloadingzone]

If they had press releases re: 1847, they would personally be backing up the conspiracy theory that they intentionally released a sub-par product in America to keep people smoking. The fact that they have a great product (a true Swedish snus) on the market at the same time that atrocity known as Marlboro "snus" is being sold in America. I do not think that a press release would work in their favor. That is, unless, they plan on offering 1847 to the American public.
I quite enjoy 1847. A couple of my cigarette smoking buddies tried it while I was in Tampa and they too liked it. If PM would bring 1847 to the American public as an over-the-counter item, they would have a product that would crush the theory that they are marketing a fake "snus" product (marlboro "snus") in attempts to be able to say that they offered a harm reduction product but "snus" is not a viable means for smokers to quit. In doing this, they save their own ass on future lawsuits that say that they never attempted any harm reduction.
I'm basically just reiterating things I have read in an article that was posted here along with my thoughts on why they havent made much press on 1847.
Any other thoughts on this theory?

I've got one but first my thoughts on the taste of the 1847. I was getting a little bored with General White Portion and decided to give the 1847 a shot. I admit to being nervous over the Philip Morris name....as soon as I said I liked the 1847, they'd pull the curtain away and reveal it was really Marlboro snus and the taste was in my head!

Anyway, I really do like the 1847 White Portion. It's a new favorite for me. It also shows if they want to, Philip Morris can make a quality snus....and I think that's more the point than harm reduction lawsuits in the US.

They (and RJRT, in my opinion) are taking advantage of the convenience of snus versus cigarettes to American tobacco users in the US to make a HUGE profit selling small amounts of substandard snus product at premium prices because most of the American smoking public (myself included, at the time) never heard of snus before. It's all about the money.

As Swedish Match (and hopefully others some day) get more aggressive about marketing their brands in the US, THEN I think you may see 1847 show up on American shelves.

The only reason I can image for the delay is US import laws and tobacco taxes. Swedish Match only offers General and Catch in about a dozen states over the counter.

They have gotten more aggressive with their new US website and are offering most of their brands for sale by the roll. The prices are good too...except they're apparently not the "final" prices. Depending which state you live in, they either deny you or add all the assorted tobacco and other taxes to come up with a final total. I've never gone through the shopping cart process with them so I don't know how much that boosts it up, but it's probably a good amount.

As they (and hopefully others) sort out each states laws (not to mention US federal) AND snus becomes more of a household name in the US, then I think Philip Morris MAY roll out the 1847 domestically.

On the other hand, Marlboro snus has such a bad name here compared to Camel, let alone Swedish snus, that they may keep it as an off-shore brand.

Only time and the marketplace will really tell.

At this point, it would be suicide for them to introduce 1847 in the US. The Marlboro snus users would realize they had been ripped off and the negative publicity would taint the 1847 and kill Marlboro snus.

And more importantly to their shareholders, why should they? Unless Camel so dominates the American market as to making Marlboro snus unprofitable, both they and RJRT and making a fortune at the expense of an un-knowing American public with their current US product. The profit margins of American snus to Swedish snus must be astronomical.

Why ruin (for them) a good thing?

[Xobeloot]

Good points. Why stop making $$ hand-over-fist. I know that I wouldnt :P

[itchystiches]

Hello all,

Been kinda quiet lately, which is a first for me but I've been in hermit mode pretty much trying to finish up a lot of work I've had on recently at school etc.

Ok well I've got quite a lot of snus in at the moment. New JS regular and IceFruit, the good ol' Knox, OR Coffee aka 'Coffe' vanilla and LD Licorice.

Didn't like the new JS classic at all really, although the IceFruit is really really good on occasions and I've been diggin that. The same goes for the OR Coffee Vanilla... absolutely fantastic stuff with a nice cold beer. Didn't like the LD Licorice at all... seems kinda flavorless despite me having high hopes for it... although the tin is pretty nice.

As for the PM1847... well, I bought a roll straight off the bat. Foolish though this may have been, it turned out to be a very good move. I absolutely love this stuff and I'm very tempted to hold out on the extra $$$ and swap my regular Knox for this stuff. It really is fantastic in my opinion. The portions have the same kind of moistness that I came to enjoy with Lucky Strike but with a nice citrus undertone which just spices things up a bit.

Hope you are all doing well by the way! Good to be back on the board, so to speak.

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[lxskllr]

LD Licorice flavorless??? We're talking about the Gallaher House product, right? I thought the tin was kind of crappy, but the flavor great :^P It doesn't have much tobacco flavor, the licorice is big, and it seems to last forever. I picked the LD Black when I had to do jury duty because the flavor lasts so long.

Ah well, good to see ya back, enjoy that PM, I sure do :^)

[squeezyjohn]

I just tried my first portion of the Philip Morris Snus and I'm at a bit of a loss as to what I make of it.

It is as if they've opened a new restaurant with all the best possible ingredients and equipment at their fingertips and then got the bloke who cleans the toilets to cook the meal!

What I mean is that it's not like Offroad (cheap and nasty) - it seems to have all the quality of a snus like Taboca or Jakobssons, the quality and innovation of the packaging is superb.

But they've made a snus with a very earthy, chocolaty, dark basic tobacco taste and then covered it with sickly and flowery flavours that would better compliment a light tobacco flavour. I'm guessing but I think the predominant flavour is geranium which I think MN_snuser calls the window cleaner flavour! I've smelled the same thing in a couple of nasal snuffs before - but geranium with salty and chocolaty? ... I've never been so confused by a snus before.

That's my take on it - but it seems I'm not alone!

[itchystiches]

@lxskllr:

Thanks for the welcome back man Yeah... talking about the Gallaher house product. I've only had like 3 of the portions or so so maybe I will give it another try. I think the licorice comes through quite well but I failed to get much a tobacco taste from them. It could be just this can I guess but more likely it's just a case of individual tastes. Glad you're enjoying them though.. I don't know how you couldn't like the tin mind! That flip top snus tray is the bomb!

@squeezyjohn:

Sorry to hear you're not enjoying the PM man. I find it to be very similar to General although I have no idea what geranium is... maybe this is the added zing which causes people to either love or hate it? Anyway... good to hear from you... I don't believe we've spoken before so welcome to the forum and I hope you're enjoying the whole snus experience!

Peace!

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[lxskllr]

@lxskllr:

I think the licorice comes through quite well but I failed to get much a tobacco taste from them.

That makes sense. I think it has a lot of flavor, but not tobacco flavor. It tastes like a pouch of pure licorice to me. That's really what I like about it though. It's a nice desert snus without going way overboard on the sweetness like Camel does. It's not one I can chain snus all day with, but for an occasional treat it's one my my top favorites.

All of Gallaher House's tins have a loose fit around the lid which I find a bit irritating. The fliptop lid is pretty slick though. It's very satisfying to click up and down with one finger :^D

[Kindrd]

I finally got to try out the 1847. I find it to be tasteless and bland. Not even close to as good as General IMO. Like others though I do really like the tin. My wife enjoys this snus because its tasteless.