Swedish snus could be banned

[BlueSaint]

It will not happen, the snus is just way too big in Sweden. But ehm.. if EU are so stupid (as usual) I bet Sweden says pretty much goodbye to EU.

I personally hate EU.

[kevs]

I think that the maint thing right now is to get proper media coverage behind snus, to talk it's pros and cons, find a someone famous to be a spokesperson. In Estonia the thing that pulls reputation of snus down is that a lot of underage use it and belive it or not but they sell already used portions to others. Thanks to a massive black market dealing, they sell snus to anyone who has 3.50 eur, despite customer being underage. The first thing is to aknowledge wider public about snus, get as much followers as possible and let the public voice be heard! But right now I see no snus manufacturers to step up and start a wide campaign, ofcourse the best thing would be that all the companies team up and do it together!

Over and out.

[Jan]

The people in Romania were happier and RICHER during the communist party - everyone afforded to live a normal life compared to now where the money you earn in one month you spend it on groceries the next day. ($300 - $500 a month) I disagree with you on this part sorry. Our salvation (people from poor EU countries) is to work abroad in UK, US, Australia and Canada........ or in Scandinavia .... Norway and Sweden.

Of course you have valid reasons to hold such views, I understand you. Living conditions we have here are as bad as living conditions in Romania, where you are. However, if I had to choose between the "old good communist times" and this mess I would probably choose the option number 3 and take my life because there is no way I could describe life under communists as good. It was a hard time both physiologically and financially too. You did have a free apartment and a free phone at home, of course you paid nothing when you called the doctor and sent kids to school but that's it... your "freedoms" end here... private business ventures could land you in prison and you were not allowed to travel out and see how people live elsewhere.
Opinion I have on communism is not much different from the opinion i have on fascism. I know what life was like under KGB and I can imagine what it was like under Securitate.

[kevs]

Of course you have valid reasons to hold such views, I understand you. Living conditions we have here are as bad as living conditions in Romania, where you are. However, if I had to choose between the "old good communist times" and this mess I would probably choose the option number 3 and take my life because there is no way I could describe life under communists as good. It was a hard time both physiologically and financially too. You did have a free apartment and a free phone at home, of course you paid nothing when you called the doctor and sent kids to school but that's it... your "freedoms" end here... private business ventures could land you in prison and you were not allowed to travel out and see how people live elsewhere.
Opinion I have on communism is not much different from the opinion i have on fascism. I know what life was like under KGB and I can imagine what it was like under Securitate.

Although I'm still quite young and haven't seen much of soviet era, but I agree you 100%

And welcome back Jan, haven't seen you here for a while!

[Jan]

No, sorry. I can't see that happening, if things got that bad they'd ban the import of havana cigars from cuba, rich and powerful people smoke cigars, and pipes. That's why we will never have an all out ban on tobacco, well, that and the tax money they get from tobacco products

I second that... they will never ban the import of havana cigars but somehow I am absolutely sure they will ban whatever smokeless tobacco they can find... snuff, nasal snuff, snus of course.. but let's hope the above mentioned measure never gets taken. Sweden leaving the EU won't be much of a help to us. Imagine having to smuggle somehow a roll of snus though EU customes.. won't be easy if snus is banned...

[Jan]

Although I'm still quite young and haven't seen much of soviet era, but I agree you 100%

And welcome back Jan, haven't seen you here for a while!

Tere Kevin,

i've had too much stress lately, sorry for not being around... it is a year since we last talked I think? I hope all is well!

[precious007]

Of course you have valid reasons to hold such views, I understand you. Living conditions we have here are as bad as living conditions in Romania, where you are. However, if I had to choose between the "old good communist times" and this mess I would probably choose the option number 3 and take my life because there is no way I could describe life under communists as good. It was a hard time both physiologically and financially too. You did have a free apartment and a free phone at home, of course you paid nothing when you called the doctor and sent kids to school but that's it... your "freedoms" end here... private business ventures could land you in prison and you were not allowed to travel out and see how people live elsewhere.
Opinion I have on communism is not much different from the opinion i have on fascism. I know what life was like under KGB and I can imagine what it was like under Securitate.

that's pretty true what you're saying - but believe me life wasn't as tough as it's spoken today to be -

people were making fortunes back then as well, and legitimately

financially?

My dad was sailing all around the world back then, bought two apartments and raised two kids and a family and yes we afforded two vacations a year.

Whereas now, most people in Romania haven't afforded to go on a vacation for more than 20 years.

physiologically?

you're kidding

people were much happier back then

it's now in the 21st century where more than 30% of the population suffer from depression

you'd be laughed in the face in the 1980's in Romania if you even mentioned you had depression or anxiety -




the only "FREEDOM" you have now is that you have somehow the rights to start a business - but the business in most cases is just a "MIRAGE" ..... you have to deal with high amounts of stress and "protection" taxes to even make it ...............



Communism = Discipline = Security

People don't like discipline that's why most didn't like the communist party.

of course it had the bad sides too


there's too much to discuss on the subject but definitely it was better for everyone under communism (MUCH BETTER)

even the elderly admit it -

everyone had a job under communism and afforded a decent life - now .............. 6+ million work abroad .... why?

because it's better?

:-) lol

[Jan]

I think that the maint thing right now is to get proper media coverage behind snus, to talk it's pros and cons, find a someone famous to be a spokesperson. In Estonia the thing that pulls reputation of snus down is that a lot of underage use it and belive it or not but they sell already used portions to others. Thanks to a massive black market dealing, they sell snus to anyone who has 3.50 eur, despite customer being underage. The first thing is to aknowledge wider public about snus, get as much followers as possible and let the public voice be heard! But right now I see no snus manufacturers to step up and start a wide campaign, ofcourse the best thing would be that all the companies team up and do it together!

Over and out.

Used portion!!! Is business good? This might be the only option left for us all very soon - to re-use each other's portions... I cannot contribute much I am afraid as I am 95% Los user

[Viktorfm]

profit wise, the rich get richer

the poor get poorer (that's what all systems want, and the rich have the power to do exactly that)

here;s an example - 99% of the people in most countries dont afford to buy houses and cars (they have to go in debt for that)

Rich EU countries have teamed up and sucked in the poorer countries, now all over the EU Banks popped up everywhere where they lend money to people just to make them poorer and poorer - In Romania ou end up paying for a 60K apartment twice the peice (120K) and thats just an example of why the EU has been formed the iluminati are al
l behind these dirty schemes

In Romania in 1960 - 1989 until the revolution (EVERYONE) afforded to buy a large apartment by paying 10% of their monthly salary

now the salary is not enough to buy groceries (YEP THAT's the reality)

that's the story - the EU has been formed to **** everyone up and make them poorer

only a few 5% are rich and that's because they're all influential people and have the power to do anything in their hands

including manipulating laws and so on

In romania the population is 22 million and over 6 million work abroad - imagine the poverty we're all facing ...

the communist party under Ceausescu was seen as a bad thing (yet people were living normal lives)

now most of the people fight for their existence and most of the young people barely afford to have pocket money let alone making their life (buy apartments,cars,raise children and so on)

what is this world coming to? On a large scale in many countries it's happening the same thing -

the laws are made for the rich, the poor even die because they don't afford to cover medical expenses and so on .............. no one is protected in any way by the government.

Living out of $200 - $500 in the EU is pure poverty and no one seemingly doesn't do anything about it -

Last time the people revolted in the center of Bucharest - they were beaten like animals and some of them were even killed by the the police -

I might be a bit rough on this but this is the reality - and it's happening in many of the EU countries and even the better placed ones such as Greece, SPain and Italy.... and many others.......

If you're thinking to open up a business you need to pay upfront 10 - 20K to cover your ass (protection)

for example if you're a lawyer and want to start your own bureau of lawyers you have to pay $500,000 in advance (protection money)

if you want to be a doctor the same thing happens (probably up to $50,000 if not more)

there are people living in the EU with a retirement salary of under $100 (whereas their medication is double that money)

and here's an example of the people that SEEMINGLY are doing very well in Romania by prostitution, money laundry, drugs, selling organs and so on and attention! they're protected by the governement .....why? because they have money....... that's al there is to it -

this monkey is flushing around the room about 500.000 euros in cash whereas I dream to have that money to buy a house and live a normal life.....

we cannot selll snus in Romania but we can sell WOMEN easily

probably 300K hookers are on the streets and over 300,000 women are doing video chat ;-)

life ain't fair is it?


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oh,man..i can understand you.Its very much alike the situation in Russia in 1990..now all those bandits are Russian goverment.

[kevs]

Used portion!!! Is business good? This might be the only option left for us all very soon - to re-use each other's portions... I cannot contribute much I am afraid as I am 95% Los user

Yeah it occasionaaly pops up in news that police got another high school student who sold used portions to younger boys. It reminds me smokers who leave a cig to eachother, seems that we have to do the same thing, keep it under for 30 min and then give it to your buddy.

[Jan]

that's pretty true what you're saying - but believe me life wasn't as tough as it's spoken today to be -

people were making fortunes back then as well, and legitimately

financially?

My dad was sailing all around the world back then, bought two apartments and raised two kids and a family and yes we afforded two vacations a year.

Whereas now, most people in Romania haven't afforded to go on a vacation for more than 20 years.

physiologically?

you're kidding

people were much happier back then

it's now in the 21st century where more than 30% of the population suffer from depression

you'd be laughed in the face in the 1980's in Romania if you even mentioned you had depression or anxiety -




the only "FREEDOM" you have now is that you have somehow the rights to start a business - but the business in most cases is just a "MIRAGE" ..... you have to deal with high amounts of stress and "protection" taxes to even make it ...............



Communism = Discipline = Security

People don't like discipline that's why most didn't like the communist party.

of course it had the bad sides too


there's too much to discuss on the subject but definitely it was better for everyone under communism (MUCH BETTER)

even the elderly admit it -

everyone had a job under communism and afforded a decent life - now .............. 6+ million work abroad .... why?

because it's better?

:-) lol

Yes, if you happened to work on a ship back then and sail internationally you were lucky. My neighbor was on a ship in the 70s and 80s, they were doing well, just like you say. Were others doing well? Hmm.... here if you were a graduate engineer or doctor you would earn anything between 120 and 180 russian roubles (sorry, it is impossible to recalculate this into modern currency) a month. that would get you one month's supply of groceries for 2 people but there is no way your funds would go beyond that. Shops were short of even the basics. I remember queueing for toilet paper for hours as a small kid (!!!!!!!!!!).. I second you, nobody was starving in that society of course.

[Jan]

Yeah it occasionaaly pops up in news that police got another high school student who sold used portions to younger boys. It reminds me smokers who leave a cig to eachother, seems that we have to do the same thing, keep it under for 30 min and then give it to your buddy.

This because snus is a precious commodity nowadays. As they say in Finland, MUSTAA KULTAA (black gold)... what does a used portion cost then?... thanks Kevin, this makes an interesting biz idea.

[kevs]

This because snus is a precious commodity nowadays. As they say in Finland, MUSTAA KULTAA (black gold)... what does a used portion cost then?... thanks Kevin, this makes an interesting biz idea.

I have no idea about the cost, probably between 20-50 euro cent.

[Fazer]

I second that... they will never ban the import of havana cigars but somehow I am absolutely sure they will ban whatever smokeless tobacco they can find... snuff, nasal snuff, snus of course.. but let's hope the above mentioned measure never gets taken. Sweden leaving the EU won't be much of a help to us. Imagine having to smuggle somehow a roll of snus though EU customes.. won't be easy if snus is banned...

They might, just MIGHT get snus banned one day, but not a chance in hell will nasal snuff EVER be banned in the UK. Our history with snuff is longer than Sweden with snus, i think? Snuff is provided for members of the british house of commons, paid for by the public (lol that's funny), due to smoking in the house being banned. If i remember right, a snuff box is kept at the entrance of the house. If they ban flavor additives in tobacco they might have to put Toque original in the box

Imagine having to smuggle somehow a roll of snus though EU customes.. won't be easy if snus is banned...

I'd ride a motorcycle to Sweden, fill up and ride back to the UK, trust me they dont give bikes a second look

[jmdkodiak]

Well, what does this mean for the USA?