Swedish snus could be banned

[kevs]

I was just thinking... would it be possible perhaps to approach this subject from a slightly different angle.... Swedish snus has been recognized by EU as a "cultural things", part of Swedish way of life, a very special heritage and so on.... based on this definition people who use snus , regardless of their country of residence or passports held, are ... swedish (at least to some extent, right?). Are not we as a swedish minority in our respective EU countries entitled to protection of our minority rights??? I am not suggesting legalization of snus (even though that would be the best solution for everybody), what I am referring to is our rights to source the stuff online in order for us to continue with our "swedishness". I know this may sound stupid but that's how I see all this.
It was announced in a German newspaper a few days ago that the small salafist (islamic radicalist) community of merely 4 000 people does not pose danger to security and democracy in Germany and can therefore be tolerated (you might have heard that they are involved in recruiting home and foreign born germans alike to join radicalist groups in Germany, people many of whom are on international terror watch lists). Do the decision makers in Brussels really think that 4 000 or so small SNUSING community of Germany (or of Britain, Denmark.. does not matter) poses a more serious threat to the public than that of the salafists and the level of threat has reached a point when an action in form of new EU directives, bans, etc is required?
Where is logic????????????

Really intresting point you have there, religious aspect is always good to add, but for making it official needs a lot of work and knowledge, it's not impossible though. In Estonia there are estimated of 10000-15000 snus users, which makes it 1% of the total 1,5mil population, if all united we could be a strong force!

[precious007]

Really intresting point you have there, religious aspect is always good to add, but for making it official needs a lot of work and knowledge, it's not impossible though. In Estonia there are estimated of 10000-15000 snus users, which makes it 1% of the total 1,5mil population, if all united we could be a strong force!

it's hard to get people together for a cause -

especially when we're talking about Brussels EU and all the money drooling bastards

[kevs]

it's hard to get people together for a cause -

especially when we're talking about Brussels EU and all the money drooling bastards

It just needs good promoters, contacts, media coverage and support from the manufacturers, at least in my country it would be pretty doable thing

[precious007]

It just needs good promoters, contacts, media coverage and support from the manufacturers, at least in my country it would be pretty doable thing

At this point in history, where the financial interest has gone through the bone, into the most important areas of our life and that's HEALTH - the big pharma companies are manipulating doctors to prescribe wrong medication (and that's a fact) that seemingly kills people and so on and so on......

EU simply will not legalize SNUS (and that might be for years to come) simply because of financial interest.

Ok, for those that don't already know, money makes the world move around, without money there would be just poverty, right?

Not all the EU bastards have been getting wealthier and wealthier.... how?

Have you ever though about the big tobacco corporations actually paying the EU leaders to endlessly ban SNUS?

Philip Morris Tobacco has a market value of over 116 billion, such a wealthy company by all means has all the power in the world to keep the snus banned for as long as they want -

It's hilarious because I mentioned in another post of mine that oral tobacco is legal in Romania, snuff is sold in all tobacco shops as well as the indian makla started to sell here and there.................. so why is snus not accepted?

[Ansel]

lol Jan and Lx. May sound ludicrous but this idea may just float.

[Fazer]

Have you ever though about the big tobacco corporations actually paying the EU leaders to endlessly ban SNUS? Philip Morris Tobacco has a market value of over 116 billion, such a wealthy company by all means has all the power in the world to keep the snus banned for as long as they want -

Yeah, i've been thinking that for a long time now, and the big pharma companies are in on the game. And, i'm sure it's the same two groups of companies that fund the tobacco nazis

[precious007]

Yeah, i've been thinking that for a long time now, and the big pharma companies are in on the game. And, i'm sure it's the same two groups of companies that fund the tobacco nazis

of course they are, the pharma is even more dangerous -

I've been reading dozens of articles recently where it's clearly explained how certain virus infections are purposely release from laboratories and then the big pharmas come on the market with the WONDER drug (the exact same people that have released the virus).

in fact from my point of view no medication is SAFE (going of the topic a little), as long as every single damn medication has side effects how could it be safe? Some of them even state that death can occur from a long term use.

Anyways, speaking of scam, there's tons going on in the pharma industry but I still believe that a balanced diet and high spiritual life can heal pretty much everyone. (we HAVE been created to fight any type of illness that our body is affected from, medications, in most cases only worsens the condition (just a personal opinion). In fact illness means NON-BALANCE, yet re-installing that balance can heal the disease.

moreover .. if anyone has ever read stories about chronically ill people that have managed to heal themselves, they all have done it through meditation (spirituality) and with natural herbs.... and NEVER with medications.

It's a scam all along, and that's what going on in the tobacco industry, the big GAYS are paying enough money to keep the snus banned and Sweden is just a fish in the huge ocean, they can't do anything about it, nor can the other EU countries even if they team up.

I wonder if "Make Your Own Snus" kits would be legal in EU lol (that's just plain tobacco and probably some flavor) why would it be illegal?

[lxskllr]

I wonder if "Make Your Own Snus" kits would be legal in EU lol (that's just plain tobacco and probably some flavor) why would it be illegal?

It would be illegal because they said it was illegal. The mistake everyone makes, myself included is attacking the problem using logic. When the logic doesn't add up, we walk away confused. Dictatorships don't use logic. They dictate, and the subjects obey. The only way to win is to stop obeying. That could be civil disobedience, or armed revolution, but logic will never win.

[kevs]

That's the attitude that won't let us- the snus users, to do anything to help it legalize. I might be a bit too optimistic, but I firmly belive as long as we all team up and get organized, anything could happen. There comes a point when cigarette companies just can't keep paying to EU, once public voice gets too loud. It just needs determination, organizing and balls of steel. Ofcourse just talking here doesn't change anything...

[precious007]

armed revolution

Be it a revolution THEN!

We need the snus in EU

Of course lx, dictators such as the ones in Brussels or every other one in the history didn't use logic because they didn't have a logic (paranoia suffering people don't have a logic) they only have delusions - logic is a joke these days whereas everywhere people fight for interest /period

but I firmly belive as long as we all team up and get organized

You seem to not understand that as long as the Brussels governors are corrupt you can go out by the millions on the streets and be sent home, that's all there is to it.

Lets assume tomorrow I would give your $2mil to quit snus - you would surely do it, wouldn't you?

then that's what happens with the EU, they've received money to keep the snus banned. (otherwise it would have been legal long now)

[kevs]

You seem to not understand that as long as the Brussels governors are corrupt you can go out by the millions on the streets and be sent home, that's all there is to it.

Lets assume tomorrow I would give your $2mil to quit snus - you would surely do it, wouldn't you?

then that's what happens with the EU, they've received money to keep the snus banned. (otherwise it would have been legal long now)

And you sir, seem to be pessimistic just about everything. That's why I say that first thing is to get organized, register the movemend as a NGO, have a proper plan what, when and where to do something. With social media/communication media possibilities we have, all of this can be done, I wouldn't had said this 50 yrs ago under soviet rule. And if shit hits the fan, at least we can say we did everything we could. As long as you sit in your comfortable chair, complaining about EU and it's bans, there is not going to happen not a single thing.

Over and out

[precious007]

And you sir, seem to be pessimistic just about everything. That's why I say that first thing is to get organized, register the movemend as a NGO, have a proper plan what, when and where to do something. With social media/communication media possibilities we have, all of this can be done, I wouldn't had said this 50 yrs ago under soviet rule. And if shit hits the fan, at least we can say we did everything we could. As long as you sit in your comfortable chair, complaining about EU and it's bans, there is not going to happen not a single thing.

Over and out

I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic.

Most people are dormant and don't see clearly what the EU does to all that joined it.

[precious007]

I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic.

Most people are dormant and don't see clearly what the EU does to all that joined it.

Average wage in Romania before joining EU - $300

Average Wage now - $310.

Money talks

- so what's the EU good for?

And if shit hits the fan, at least we can say we did everything we could.

True, at least trying to bring awareness ... but as I said I am realistic person.

[lxskllr]

- so what's the EU good for?

Absolutely nothing
Uh-huh
EU, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all

EU, huh, good God
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me

Ohhh, EU, I despise
Because it means destruction
Of innocent lives

EU means tears
To thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go to smoke
And lose their lives
...

[spirit72]

You say that mate, but if the EU Commission wants to ban flavor additives in tobacco, that would mean suppliers like Toque would be F*^%ed. Toque have 37 "flavours" available, i guess Natural Toast and Original might be ok, but im not sure? What about flavored pipe tobacco ?

Then I guess it's just my luck that my favorites are Toque Natural Toast, Wilson's #22, and F+T High Dry Toast.

As for pipers, it'll just be time for the aromatic smokers to acquaint themselves with matured Virginias, and good ol' knock-your-socks-off English blends.