EU Planning to re-allow the sales of snus in 2014 !

[Jan]

Hello forum!

I read some happy news from the internet that EU are planning to re-allow snus! What i've heard that the decision would be made in 2013 and each countries goverment would vote for the acceptance.
They are reasoning it like this: "Since health consequences of snus are 60/90/99 % smaller than consequences of smoking and snus is more effective than medical products made for quitting smoking." (translated poorly from finnish, sorry )
Of course it would mean that the price of snus would be pretty high in EU since the taxes but it would be a lot easier to buy it from local stores.
Opinions?

By the way got the information from Finnish version of v2 tobaccos site (http://fi.v2tobacco.com) and some other Finnish sites about snus!

No way! Even if they do legalize it (which is more than very unlikely), there will be an immediate ban on internet sales like there is a ban on internet sales of cigarettes... and we will end up with Thunder portions in the best case scenario in shops across Europe with absolutely no possibility to order anything else online..... don't touch the poo or it will stink even worse...
Are you in Finland? I thought Finland was aspiring to become completely tobacco free by 2050...?

[Fazer]

like there is a ban on internet sales of cigarettes...

A ban on the sales of cigarettes online ? Not in the UK

http://www.mysmokingshop.co.uk/index...=catman&cat=79

[Jan]

It is banned here where I live..... I tried to send a 10 pack of cigs to a friend in Italy and was told that under EU regulations I am not allowed to send cigarettes by post....it does not surprise me that Britain has so many freedoms compared to the rest of us. You were alone to stand against the nazis, now you are alone to stand against the stupid EU regulations.

[devilock76]

It is banned here where I live..... I tried to send a 10 pack of cigs to a friend in Italy and was told that under EU regulations I am not allowed to send cigarettes by post....it does not surprise me that Britain has so many freedoms compared to the rest of us. You were alone to stand against the nazis, now you are alone to stand against the stupid EU regulations.

Godwin's Law...Defined...

Ken

[Skell18]

It is banned here where I live..... I tried to send a 10 pack of cigs to a friend in Italy and was told that under EU regulations I am not allowed to send cigarettes by post....it does not surprise me that Britain has so many freedoms compared to the rest of us. You were alone to stand against the nazis, now you are alone to stand against the stupid EU regulations.

If we are given a referendum on EU membership (which the people want) it looks highly likely people would vote to leave. We can then buys snus again and it could be sold here too!! Good enough for me!

[chainsnuser]

You guys should remember that snus was allowed in the EU till 1992.

The ban was a demand from the British government before joining the EU. The UK had already enacted a ban for dip and snus in the late 80's.

Besides of that, it's not a definition of Godwin's law that Nazi comparisons come up in a thread like this. The prohibitionists simply are Nazis. Their way of thinking emanates directly from the fascistic idea of man.

It's a problem world-wide that the old generation of politicians, who witnessed the war and developed a very humanistic view of the world, is dying out and the new generation seemingly is to dumb to learn even the most basic lessons from history. The undemocratic EU government and the utterly moronic snus-ban are only subordinated aspects of a world that on the whole is slowly becoming more and more open to fascistic and technocratic ideas again.

Cheers!

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

You guys should remember that snus was allowed in the EU till 1992.

The ban was a demand from the British government before joining the EU. The UK had already enacted a ban for dip and snus in the late 80's.

Besides of that, it's not a definition of Godwin's law that Nazi comparisons come up in a thread like this. The prohibitionists simply are Nazis. Their way of thinking emanates directly from the fascistic idea of man.

It's a problem world-wide that the old generation of politicians, who witnessed the war and developed a very humanistic view of the world, is dying out and the new generation seemingly is to dumb to learn even the most basic lessons from history. The undemocratic EU government and the utterly moronic snus-ban are only subordinated aspects of a world that on the whole is slowly becoming more and more open to fascistic and technocratic ideas again.

Cheers!

I could not say better bravo

[pris]

Damn UK.

I think I remember the case. It was about Skoal Bandits in the 80s. They linked them to mouth cancer so oral snuff was banned. Goes without saying though the TSNA difference between that old product and Swedish snus would be quite significant to say the least. But hey there's probably no chance they would re-evaluate things now. There are too many cigarrette and NRT £s to loose.

[Fazer]

There are too many cigarrette and NRT £s to loose.

I do know it's our fault, but i don't remember the 80s Skoal Bandits thing, i've learned all this in the last couple years. Everyone and their mother is talking about safe alternative to smoking now, so i still think the cigarette and pharmaceutical companies have noticed how big safe alternatives have got, along with snus outside of Sweden, and now see it as a direct threat, so they're paying the governments to keep them in business for the next generation of smokers and quitters, and keep the cash coming in for themselves, and tax money for governments.

[pris]

Would put money on that *cigarettes -> NRT -> cigarrettes* /and repeat keeping the £s coming in.

the cigarette and pharmaceutical companies have noticed how big safe alternatives have got, along with snus outside of Sweden, and now see it as a direct threat, so they're paying the governments to keep them in business for the next generation of smokers and quitters, and keep the cash coming in for themselves, and tax money for governments.

[Skell18]

Snus would be taxed so I don't see that being an issue, also don;t forget that alot of the big tobacco companies make snus too (JTI, BAT, Imperial Tobacco etc) so it is very much in their interest to have the ban lifted so they can add another product to their lines, cigarette companies make snus too not just Swedish Match (who also make cigars and snuff!).

Also Altria owns Philip Morris, Gallagher, USSTC (skoal and Copenhagen), Imperial Tobacco and part of JTI, so the argument that its the tobacco companies paying off governments just doesn't wash with me, they stand to gain far more from a lifting of the ban than it remaining in place.

The ban on oral tobacco was based on, now old and outdated research, that happened to be commissioned by a pharmaceutical company iirc.

[devilock76]

Besides of that, it's not a definition of Godwin's law that Nazi comparisons come up in a thread like this. The prohibitionists simply are Nazis. Their way of thinking emanates directly from the fascistic idea of man.

I guess that depends on your definition of the word "definition"...

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes some comparison to Hitler and the Nazis.

Ken

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

First.. Govermant
Second... People
Therd ... Pharmacompanys
Forth ... Cituation
Here are the reasons why we have unjust low on snus
1) Goverment play double standard , lots of money from cigarettes and pharma company's so why they should alow snus?
2) People do you remember that anyone one us would scream about our rights taken away?? Women have faminism , black people Martin Luther king , gay people - parades , what we tobacco users got ??
3) Pharma ...... Lot has been told , nothing to add.
4) Crises , Greece, Money, tobacco faschism ( why change anything when lies have gone thru and everybody belive in that??)
So till those parameters are in force- nothing will change, people got to have drugs quastion is what kind of ... Alcohol , nicotine , heroin, cocain , Rissians forbidden alcohol in 1985 ... Thay got drugs in country which killing Russia,
.... Does any one asks why we have to tolerate that someone tells me in which position to sleep with my wife , I like missionari but govermant tells me it is dangerous for you hips you have to do Reverse Cowboy .. But listen idiot is this democracy which Greeks inveted ? Is this whay we should live I like fat food and wide hips Goverment tells me you busterd have to like low on calories food and manlike ass, go and f** your self idiots;(

[GoVegan]

Hell yeah! Beautiful post GN.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Here is the reason why I hate Democracy because it become most fals way off living in warld we think about lady ( from Myanmar ) nothing wrong with that but Pris, Bill do nay have the right to want snus, we think about Arabs right but Skell and Extreme have no right to use something what they like ....