Camel Frost Snus

[bjmach]

Went from General Mint White to Camel Frost Snus. This stuff is absolutely no where near as good. Do any of the other Camel Flavors or companies (Skoal, Marlboro etc.) make a snus even close to as good as General Mint?
Silly as it sounds my quality of life has been degraded lol

[truthwolf1]

SKOAL is the best in my opinion of USA products. Large pillow portions that feel good on the gums but something is definately not right with them. I would only use them in a pinch over Camel which I have no interest ever putting in my mouth again.

[resnor]

I don't like the size of the Skoal portions. The Camel Frost isn't much better, but they're not as massive. I hate that no one close to me sells Swedish snus.

[kingofdiamonds]

if you can get general than go with that. im happy that the turkey hill around me just started selling the general white portions and not those trial packs. i agree that the camel frost is nothing compared to general. I found that the camel ones actually made my gums hurt.

[Darwin]

do any of the other camel flavors or companies (skoal, marlboro etc.) make a snus even close to as good as general mint?

no

[the88]

Skoal is the only U.S. brand I would use in a pinch. In MI, it's only $2-$3 for a tin. Since they actually make oral tobacco full time, there is at least some nicotine in it and you don't have to use 3 at a time to feel satisfied.

[the88]

In that sense though, I would probably just use portion dip and put it in the upper. I don't imagine, you would need to spit much and you still get the ease of use with the pouches.

[dman21]

One thing I will say is that no U.S smokeless tobacco product will be as good as something as high quality as General and other Swedish brands. I, would, however, rather have Camel Snus than dip pouches because with those you still have to spit and it's well...dip. Having had both, despite them looking similar and being able to use them in about the same way, it's definitely dip, along with all the "niceties" that accompany it such as the need to spit and the fact that it tears apart your gums. If I'm in a pinch and have absolutely no Swedish snus available, I get the Camel Mint, which I actually don't mind, but it's nothing compared to real Swedish snus. Asking if an American manufacturer makes snus similar to General is like asking if Miller or Budweiser makes beer as good as some of the imports like Heineken. Same answer, it isn't there. I just feel grateful that I'm well stocked up on actual Swedish snus for the time being.

[LordJ]

One thing I will say is that no U.S smokeless tobacco product will be as good as something as high quality as General and other Swedish brands. I, would, however, rather have Camel Snus than dip pouches because with those you still have to spit and it's well...dip. Having had both, despite them looking similar and being able to use them in about the same way, it's definitely dip, along with all the "niceties" that accompany it such as the need to spit and the fact that it tears apart your gums. If I'm in a pinch and have absolutely no Swedish snus available, I get the Camel Mint, which I actually don't mind, but it's nothing compared to real Swedish snus. Asking if an American manufacturer makes snus similar to General is like asking if Miller or Budweiser makes beer as good as some of the imports like Heineken. Same answer, it isn't there. I just feel grateful that I'm well stocked up on actual Swedish snus for the time being.

I think Budweiser is better beer than Heineken. I admit, some imported things, like snus, are fantastic. But, I do get tired of the mindset that American made things are automatically inferior. Heineken tastes like bottled ass. Also, Copenhagen is every bit as high quality as General, they're just two completely different forms of tobacco. That's like comparing bourbon and scotch, sure they're both liquor, but that's where the similarities end.

[Darwin]

There is certainly no accounting for any one individual's tastes but there are very few people indeed who find American snus products the equal of, let alone superior to, anything from Scandinavia. One obvious answer is that Scandinavians have a two hundred plus year history of snus development and the U.S. does not. There are however other factors at work besides unfamiliarity with the product for American companies. Among the others are corporate timidity, "not invented here" syndrome, the use of focus groups of Americans who disdain anything not loaded with sweetener, and a justifiable fear of out-of-control regulators. Consequently I think the only really intelligent course for American smokeless tobacco companies at this time is to simply ignore snus instead of trying to field grossly sub-standard products fatally informed by our peculiar corporate and regulatory frameworks. I'm as gung ho about buying American as anyone but not to the extent I will punish myself by using American snus.

[LordJ]

My comment was directed towards the first sentence in his post, claiming no US smokeless was high quality, which includes other things than american snus. I'll be the first to admit camel snus sucks.

[The Stig]

In actuality, The tobaccos used in both products are different, and processed differently. Swedish snus uses Sun Dried tobaccos from across the globe where American smokeless uses American grown Fire cured tobaccos, with exception of some of the dip brands owned by Swedish Match like Red Man and Longhorn, which gives it it's smoky flavor. Swedish snus is steam pasteurized after grinding and the flavor is introduced just after cooling and left to macerate for up to two weeks before being canned. Tobacco for American Smokeless is fermented, with flavorings, sugar and water, in oak barrels for up to two years before being cut and packaged.

Both products are unique to their respective countries and, without completely changing the way their made, will really never taste alike. For example, the smoke flavor that's used in a snus will never quite taste like the truly smoke cured tobaccos used in Cope or Skoal. Camel snus comes pretty close to tasting like a sweet version of Swedish snus but, due to the tobacco used, will never really taste just like it without Camel changing the type of tobacco they use. I know.......I kinda went a bit professor on this topic but, I've studied tobacco for along time and sometimes that happens. Don't mean to be degrading in any way, just wanted to let folks know the difference.

Cheers,

The Stig