Where the hell is Pioneer???!!

[grover]

I LOVE this stuff. Now it's gone from Northerner's site. What the hey?
Pioneer is the best tasting loose snus out there. WTF?

[jagmanss]

My Guess... You have been gone for a long time... But we are all still wondering the same thing even now as of today...

[GoVegan]

Just like Gellivare, Pioneer was supposed to be back soon. There are some other threads on this forum about Pioneer but I wouldn't hold your breath. Unfortunately, I am thinking it might be gone for good.

[lxskllr]

Just like Gellivare, Pioneer was supposed to be back soon. There are some other threads on this forum about Pioneer but I wouldn't hold your breath. Unfortunately, I am thinking it might be gone for good.

I hope you're wrong. That's one of my favorite snuses. I wonder if pestering Buysnus would get them to carry it?

[chadizzy1]

Checking into it, but it's probably still an issue with the FDA. I'll let you know what I find out.

[lxskllr]

Checking into it, but it's probably still an issue with the FDA. I'll let you know what I find out.

Thanks Chad. That would be great if you could get some info :^)

[chadizzy1]

Okay guys, I spoke with Pioneer, and here's an update. It's not good news.

http://chadizzy1.blogspot.com/2013/0...pril-2013.html

"There have been many people asking, "Where is Pioneer Snuff?" for several months now after it's vanishing act from the Northerner.com webstore, the only shop that was carrying it for export to the US. I spoke with them earlier today, and an update on Pioneer doesn't show good news for those in the US. Apparently, the FDA has been giving them hell. Asking for random updates on this and that, tests conforming to random new regulations they add, and really draining the money out of Pioneer. These tests and requirements from the FDA are essentially costing Pioneer more than the US market is giving them in sales. That being said, Pioneer has made the decision to no longer export to the US. Pioneer did make efforts to continue sales into the US, possibly partnering with other companies, but even those companies expressed to them the difficulty of working with the US market due to the FDA. No doors are closed on this for sure, but as of right now they don't know when/if they will be continuing sales into the US market. They will essentially be focusing on Thailand and Laos, where they have a good demand and it isn't too costly to sell their product. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I wanted to give all the loyal fans and update on what's going on with Pioneer - and deliver a special thank you from them to all the loyal supporters in the US. It's sad that the FDA is doing their best to keep small companies from being able to compete on the US market. But alas, it's the nature of the beast.
"

[lxskllr]

Thanks for the effort Chad :^(

[Skell18]

That blows more than Henry the Hoover on full whack!

[whalen]

Why is it always the good ones! Why?

[Burnsey]

I know very little about snus manufacturing, but it looks like a Darwinism at work here. The big companies like SM are able to keep ahead of the FDA with large capital and give away product, but smaller companies just can't compete with all of the obstacles.

[whalen]

They blow this candy portion crap up our collective arses till the cows come home...........But any quick look at the ever shrinking list of LOS snus will tell you that a carefully crafted tobacco snus for Manly Men (and women), is no longer a concern.



I know it is the FDA in this case, but the lack of LOS in general is due to companies chasing the marketing and Market share. We are doomed. The end is near. I get so tired of this year after year. And I have sampled some world class Los samples from Jimmy and GN in the mean time.


My SAD lil rant that is now over, sorry!

[Ansel]

Unless Petter can ship Pioneer direct from Thailand - might be worth asking him.

[Premium Parrots]

I believe that old pioneer is still lost in the woods.

[grover]

Thanks Chad.
Well, at least I've got 45 tins in the freeze.
Then I guess it'll be back to Gote Rape.