Question about strength and my experience of mini vs normal size General white

[tattooer601]

Thanks alott man, seriously.
Still dual use but man, Smoking is killing me, I can feel it.
I gotta back away, snus is the only way I know, nrts do nothing but wire me out.
Snus it satisfies and if switching them out quiker is what seems to help me, I wish I knew why....I be snusing like a snushead at the moment.

When you say chain snusing, I want to explain what I've been doing, to see if it's the same/similar.

I'm switching em bout every 40 minutes and sleeping with a fresh on in.
At 40 minutes, I'm trying to chew at the portion.
So make sense, just keep at it?

[Burnsey]

Yep, makes sense, or switch to starks?? I got to a point where the cig taste was less pleasurable as I like the taste of snus a lot more......but, full disclosure, I have smoked a half dozen cigarettes since finally quitting them full time, and on occasion I get a small cigar - the difference is that I am in control........ steady on mate.

[simplesmoke]

Thanks alott man, seriously.
Still dual use but man, Smoking is killing me, I can feel it.
I gotta back away, snus is the only way I know, nrts do nothing but wire me out.
Snus it satisfies and if switching them out quiker is what seems to help me, I wish I knew why....I be snusing like a snushead at the moment.

When you say chain snusing, I want to explain what I've been doing, to see if it's the same/similar.

I'm switching em bout every 40 minutes and sleeping with a fresh on in.
At 40 minutes, I'm trying to chew at the portion.
So make sense, just keep at it?

During the day I do the same for the most part, switch the portion out around every 40 minutes. You must be sensitive to the dropoff of nicotine at the end, I assume chewing/smashing is wringing out whatever remaining nicotine there is.

Your brain will get used to, and accept fully only getting its nicotine from snus at some point. I don't recall ever reading anyone that did not, as long as they kept up with the snus. As said, you might want to try one of the xtra strength snus portions to see how you like those. I think I recall some heavy smokers would use Starks first thing in the morning and between then and lunch switch back and forth between that and normal strength and end the day with an extra strength snus also.

I never go to sleep at night with a snus, I get vivid dreams with nicotine. Have napped a few times here and there with them and don't really care for it.

Just remember your body/brain will adjust. I used to be the kind of person who needed my first smoke 10 minutes after I got up in the morning. These days it happens like 1.5 hours after I get up and have already commuted to work and had breakfast and I have no issues with that. Don't even think about it on my commute into work. It's like my brain knows not to fret because it will be coming. If I try and wait past that 1.5 hours, I get massive cravings though.

[tattooer601]

Thanks for you experienced advice man.

[Snusdog]

The old standard advice here on the site has been "don't sweat it.....let the snus do it's thing. If you have a cigarette don't beat yourself up......pop in a snus and continue on.......let the snus do it's thing.....in the end the snus will win"

[tattooer601]

simplesmoke....
Could it be that your hickups are simply from the menthol?

I ask because cold water makes many hiccup... figured I'd ask .

Still interesting

[simplesmoke]

simplesmoke....
Could it be that your hickups are simply from the menthol?

I ask because cold water makes many hiccup... figured I'd ask .

Still interesting

I suppose it could have to do with the menthol, I assumed it is from a more concentrated level of nicotine going down my throat. I rarely get hiccups. But when I do, 99.9% of the time it is when I am snussing. And out of those times it has always been snus that I consider more potent and it has always been when I have a good drip going on with that snus at that time. Besides the mini mint there has not been much snus that comes across as strong with nicotine absorption so far for me. I have not had any of the Zyn snus for awhile, but I used to love their cinnamon/grape version and I recall getting the hiccups with those also and that brand I can "feel" the nicotine more with.

But I suppose it could be influenced by something else, I just assumed it was the nicotine. I guess it could even be the large amount of artificial sweeteners they probably all have that I have found to be potent.

[tattooer601]

Figured I'd ask, I rember a doctor telling me that once and I've seen a few suddenly hiccup from ice water.
Had to ask, but I agree the mini is stronger.

Unless, it's so low it's a stimulant..doubt it though.

Why ya worried about fake sweetener so much, no appetite?

[simplesmoke]

Figured I'd ask, I rember a doctor telling me that once and I've seen a few suddenly hiccup from ice water.
Had to ask, but I agree the mini is stronger.

Unless, it's so low it's a stimulant..doubt it though.

Why ya worried about fake sweetener so much, no appetite?

I was never big on artificial sweeteners through my life. (avoid it) Never really gained any weight until I quit smoking and went with snus only - ALL snus I have used in that time has been ones containing artificial sweeteners. Managed to put on another 20 lbs over the last 4 years. Not allot, (was proper weight when I started gaining) but enough to wonder if there is any correlation with my circumstances. Have read over the years about studies tying artificial sweeteners to different negative things. I also have no idea how much we are actually ingesting compared to diet soda/sugar free gum etc.. It has only been like 1.5 months that I have decreased my snus use containing artificial sweetener. (probably 1/10 of what it was before I started moving away from it) And my appetite is already noticeably lower, considerably less sweet cravings and carbs/starches, enough to have already lost at least 5 lbs, might even be a bit more now. So I am going to continue to see if it keeps going that way. Just looking for a good median. I don't think I can completely cut out sweetened snus. At least not yet. While I continue to enjoy the non sweetened snus I have, it is not as good yet as the different artificially sweetened snus I have had.

And you mention stimulant.. That is kind of what I feel from the mini mints that I was looking for in the non-sweetened snus. With the mini mints, I get a nicotine buzz that feels kinda like a stimulant. Similar to what I used to get from smoking I think. It's been so long but I think I liked smoking because it made me feel relaxed why being energized at the same time, kind of hard to explain.. I don't seem to get the same (some are closer) from the other non-sweetened snus I have here. Even with the large portions.

[tattooer601]

Ok. I have ideas here but some of the things you mentioned.

1 with cigarettes you get acetyhyde & nicotine, so that means, there's a maoi inhibitor making .
Without acetyhyde, labrats won't use nicotine by self administration.

There's A.C.D. its a maoi we get used to as smokers.Because it's synergy with nicotine.

A.C.D. is in Swedish Snus, to a small degree.
I wish there was a comparison...

So there's a lot going on in cigarettes.

[tattooer601]

I mention the moai in cigarettes, it's also in Snus but there's no scale to measure Acetelhyde in cigarettes.

This is the combo that tricks use to continue on.
I agree the mini mint is quik, I've never used zyn..or any non tobacco snus.

[simplesmoke]

I mention the moai in cigarettes, it's also in Snus but there's no scale to measure Acetelhyde in cigarettes.

This is the combo that tricks use to continue on.
I agree the mini mint is quik, I've never used zyn..or any non tobacco snus.

I never really looked into MAOIs and how they impact smokers. (And I assume snus users also) It sounds like that is a more subtle impact on users. Possibly one of the reasons why I kept going back to wanting a smoke back when I started snusing constantly.. I don't recall any changes really, other than being able to smell things better back then. I am just really glad I found the general mint at that time. Like others I had tried the American snus like Marlborough and Camel. But they did not scratch the itch as well. MAOIs besides the nicotine? Who knows. I wonder if General mint is "engineered" differently than other snus of theirs.

I went back to a different portion snus this morning that I have not been using from my last large order - Skruf mynta slim. It's been like 20 minutes since I put it in, and I am not craving nicotine. But can I feel it in my head? barely. I can feel a cooling sensation barely in my lip and it is definitely dripping, I can taste it in my throat pretty well. I rated this as 50% last time that it filled my need.. It seems to be a bit more now. Maybe 75%. So maybe my body/mind is adjusting slightly now. Maybe there is some correlation with MAOIs.

I know like 20 minutes from now I am going to take it out and put a much smaller mini mint portion in and get a little more from it.

Have you ever tried a regular sized mint portion from General? I never have. Figured what was the point if the minis were always strong enough for me. Maybe next time I place an order I will order a couple to try.

[tattooer601]

Yes, I use General white mint portions most times.
I still think the mini's have a quiker effect, but for linger use definitely the White Mint good stuff, doesn't hit as quick

[simplesmoke]

Yes, I use General white mint portions most times.
I still think the mini's have a quiker effect, but for linger use definitely the White Mint good stuff, doesn't hit as quick

Oh, you have used the LARGE General white mint portions and you still think the small General mint hit quicker?

Out of curiosity have you opened a large general white mint portion before? If so are the tobacco pieces as dry and small as they are in the mini portions?

All the recent snus I have gotten and been using, the tobacco is very spongy and thicker and looks to be moisture filled. Any of the General mini mint portions I have opened are very small dry like particles not quite a powder but approaching it. The only other thing I can compare it to is kind of like how camel snus looks when opened.

[tattooer601]

Hiya Simplesmoke,
Yes the General white mint, has a lil more moisture, not much & the portions are ground tobacco (powdered).

So the 8mg General white normal portion is ground well tobacco, not like lots of brands that have larger cut pieces you can feel, not in a General mint white, I'm in the US if that matters grind wise...etc.
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