Is Camel frost weak?

[Hmm]

Just bought my first can of snus (camel frost). I can honestly say I feel nothing. I am a full time smoker (not thinking of quitting yet ), and I have tried dip (grizzly wintergreen which definitely gave me a buzz the first few times-haven't finished the can yet). I like the taste, but maybe I am doing it wrong. It goes in the upper lip right? lol

Edit- Oops, didn't mean to create my own thread. Was replying in the camel frost thread. Feel free to move this there mods.

[sagedil]

It's all good here.

Yes, Camel snus is quite weak. Probably comparable to traditions Swedish snus mini's in nicotine content. Regular Swedish snus, and especially the growing list of strong snus, would give you a much more noticeable and satisfying nicotine hit.

BTW, two years ago, when i first started using Swedish snus, I too had no intention of quitting cigarettes. I only started using snus to help me get through work so I wouldn't have to leave my sales floor so much. But funny thing happened. I found myself smoking less and less, and after about a month, I simply stopped buying cigarettes again. I still have the occasional cigarette now, I still like the physicality of smoking, or just the pleasure of sharing a smoke with a friend. But now, I only have a cigarette when I want, not when I need.

If you give real snus a chance, you may find that you prefer the nicotine delivery. It is slower, but MUCH more prolonged. No ups and downs any more.

And welcome to Snuson. :lol: :lol:

[Hmm]

Thanks for the reply.

What would be a good good brand for a beginner. Not looking for anything harsh tasting (is there any snus that tastes harsh :? ). Also a good legit online place to buy it from. I may get into it. I can't smoke while on the job, or in class of course, so a spitless solution may be good. Is it true that snus is 'safer' than dip? As in what are the chances of getting cancer from it? Read something about pancreatic cancer that freaked me out.

[chainsnuser]

Welcome to the forum!

Swedish snus needs some getting used to. Some brands taste quite strange for a newbie, others taste like candy, others taste like pure tobacco. The good thing about Swedish snus is, that you'll hardly find a brand that is disgusting and even the most candy-like "girly-brands" are real nicotine-bombs. It's hard to find a real bad brand and no brand really is harsh.

Just read a bit here on the forum and read the descriptions in the shops to find brands that you may like.

I'd suggest to buy:
- General Original Portion (the most popular brand with a taste that I personally don't like too much)
- Ettan Lös (the oldest brand and still a big seller)
- Skruf Stark Portion (the best of the high-nic-brands IMHO)
- LD Black Portion (tastes like licorice candy)
- Mocca Pomegranate Minis (tastes and smells very fruity and has white portions - nobody will suspect that you're using tobacco when you open the can)

You'll certainly not love all these brands but you get an idea about the variety of snus that is available.

The pancreatic cancer study found 80 cases in 120000 snusers (compared to 40 cases in the same number of non-tobacco-users). The numbers are very small to begin with (statistically insignificant, I'd say) and the study is also flawed, because they compared construction workers (snus-users) with non-tobacco-users taken from the general population. Construction workers come in contact with so many dangerous chemicals (including cheap alcohol, a known cancer-causer) that nobody can say, if the increased number of pancreatic cancer cases has anything to do with snus. Nonetheless, anti-tobacco-nazis will always use such a study in a misleading way.

There is no connection between snus-use and cancer after all I know. I'd say that snus is safer than dip, just because of the different processing and the food-standards that have to be applied. But even dip can not with absolute certainty be linked to cancer-risks after all I know, unlike smoking. There is much misinformation around from people who just make a living from telling lies about smokeless tobacco.

Good luck with your snus-experiences. You can never know if Swedish snus is your thing before you've tried it, but you won't regret to try it.

Cheers!

[fugitiveinkblot]

The percieved weakness in camel snus (Camel makes no bones about it, each portion contains 8mg nicotine, some independent research has been done that backs up this claim) could be due to pH differences in camel snus compared to Swedish snus with the same nicotine content.

Obviously the amount of tobacco in the portion is not necessarily directly proportional to the amount of nicotine. Skruf stark and General Mild both come in 1g portions, yet Skruf portion has 14mg nicotine and General Mild has 6mg.

Yet, pH of the tobacco (influenced through additives) is a great influence on nicotine absorption. Thats why Copenhagen snuff, which has 9-10 mg of nicotine per gram, has such a kick, it's pH is consistently above 8.

Swedish Snus is commonly in the 7.5 to 8 range of pH, this gives it a slower absorption (which is fine, most nicotine users, smokers, are used to a spiked dosage of 1 mg of nicotine). Since only about 30% of nicotine from portions is absorbed, and I'd say most of that within 30 min, this would be an avg of .8-1 mg of nicotine every ten minutes with a slight spike upon administration of the portion. This would be greater for Copenhagen. Also, the caustic, bitter flavor from snus is not present in the Camel snus, so I would guess it probably has a more neutral pH, in the 7-7.5 range. Any research found on camel snus pH would be very nice to have (i can find none).

[sagedil]

The two most common places used to buy snus is Buysnus.com and Northerner.com, both located in Sweeden Typically takes about 5 days to get your snus. Both offer tryout boxes if you wish. Another option is scrolling through the top 5 snus thread and see which ones most folks seem to like. There is an American source called Getsnus.com that many folks here use as well. Not as well stocked as either Buysnus or Northerner, but another good option as well

[snusjus]

The percieved weakness in camel snus (Camel makes no bones about it, each portion contains 8mg nicotine, some independent research has been done that backs up this claim) could be due to pH differences in camel snus compared to Swedish snus with the same nicotine content.

Obviously the amount of tobacco in the portion is not necessarily directly proportional to the amount of nicotine. Skruf stark and General Mild both come in 1g portions, yet Skruf portion has 14mg nicotine and General Mild has 6mg.

Yet, pH of the tobacco (influenced through additives) is a great influence on nicotine absorption. Thats why Copenhagen snuff, which has 9-10 mg of nicotine per gram, has such a kick, it's pH is consistently above 8.

Swedish Snus is commonly in the 7.5 to 8 range of pH, this gives it a slower absorption (which is fine, most nicotine users, smokers, are used to a spiked dosage of 1 mg of nicotine). Since only about 30% of nicotine from portions is absorbed, and I'd say most of that within 30 min, this would be an avg of .8-1 mg of nicotine every ten minutes with a slight spike upon administration of the portion. This would be greater for Copenhagen. Also, the caustic, bitter flavor from snus is not present in the Camel snus, so I would guess it probably has a more neutral pH, in the 7-7.5 range. Any research found on camel snus pH would be very nice to have (i can find none).

You nailed it perfectly. I never found data on the ph levels of snus. Where did you find it?

Anyway, the salt in snus increases the potency and speed in which nicotine is absorbed by your gums. Camel snus (at least what I can taste), has absolutely no salt. Even if Camel snus contained 16mg of nicotine, the amount of nicotine absorbed from an 8mg portion of Swedish snus would be greater, due to the differences in ph levels.