What does you dentist say to you/think about SNUS?

[Ettas]

I ask this as I told my dentist today what I use (I only have been using SNUS for 2.5 months). Anyways, the head dentist-although not knowing what SNUS was- is for tobacco harm reduction and actually supported it. The other one I saw today had no clue what it was and wasn't too crazy about it (mentioning the 8k oral cancer figure, suggesting I do periodic checkups with the oral surgeon to check my gum). Although, I did write it down for her to research so hopefully she will and see it a little differently than the American snuff and cigarettes. Heh, maybe one of us should make a comprehensive pamphlet to carry around to inform the uninformed masses.

[ice]

My dentist uses snus himself :-)

There was great article in Nordic Reach a while ago.

http://www.icetool.com/press/Nordic_Rearch_STB.pdf

[mwood72]

Mine attributes the slight staining of my teeth to eating too much spicy foods It obviously can't be doing my gums any harm or she would have said.

[littlesilverboxfromwales]

I visited my dentist and he said your teeth are OKish, he said they are a bit stained from smoking, I moaned that I wish I never started..bla...bla..bla
And he said why don't you try oral tobacco, I looked at him in disbelief.
A dentist telling me to try "chewing tobacco" !!!!!!! I said I thought it caused mouth cancer? He then told me his mate who lives in sweden uses it and says it is much safer than smoking and the risk of mouth cancer is less than continuing to smoke. I said how the hell does he know that for sure. Oh he said, he is a dentist too 8)

[mwood72]

I visited my dentist and he said your teeth are OKish, he said they are a bit stained from smoking, I moaned that I wish I never started..bla...bla..bla
And he said why don't you try oral tobacco, I looked at him in disbelief.
A dentist telling me to try "chewing tobacco" !!!!!!! I said I thought it caused mouth cancer? He then told me his mate who lives in sweden uses it and says it is much safer than smoking and the risk of mouth cancer is less than continuing to smoke. I said how the hell does he know that for sure. Oh he said, he is a dentist too 8)

Maybe the NHS could provide it on prescription as a smoking cessation aid. A roll of General for £6 would do very nicely than you very much

[PrisMaster]

went to my dentist yesterday and he did not say a word about it. Also been using some crest white strips to help whiten my teeth so maybe thats why they couldnt see any stains. My teeth were perfect though and no problems. yay me!

[littlesilverboxfromwales]

If they prescribed snus on the NHS, they would save a hell of a lot of lives and save a mountain of cash.

[mwood72]

If they prescribed snus on the NHS, they would save a hell of a lot of lives and save a mountain of cash.

I agree

[chainsnuser]

If they prescribed snus on the NHS, they would save a hell of a lot of lives and save a mountain of cash.

I disagree on the latter. Smokers, in fact, disburden the social security system. They mostly die young and fast. Yeah, it sounds like a rock-song, but doesn't a premature death after a short illness (mostly cancer) mean much less costs for the pension insurance and the healthcare system?

BTW, only this makes it comprehensible to me, that our "caring" governments in the EU have agreed to ban snus-sales, while cigarettes are freely marketable.

Cheers!

[mwood72]

If they prescribed snus on the NHS, they would save a hell of a lot of lives and save a mountain of cash.

I disagree on the latter. Smokers, in fact, disburden the social security system. They mostly die young and fast. Yeah, it sounds like a rock-song, but doesn't a premature death after a short illness (mostly cancer) mean much less costs for the pension insurance and the healthcare system?

BTW, only this makes it comprehensible to me, that our "caring" governments in the EU have agreed to ban snus-sales, while cigarettes are freely marketable.

Cheers!

Good point. I must admit I've never got my head around how ridiculous it is to ban Snus and still allow the sale of cigarettes knowing they are far far more harmful.

[Zero]

Nah, smokers end up spending way more time in hospital and usually for more extensive and serious surgery as doctors desperately try to carve the cancer out of their body and blast them with massively expensive 3D radiation machines. Also tons of chemo drugs, replacement organs, usually several returns to hospital over many years. Healthy people stay fit until they're old and then just kick - much less time in hospital and for much less serious things, usually.

[chainsnuser]

Nah, smokers end up spending way more time in hospital and usually for more extensive and serious surgery as doctors desperately try to carve the cancer out of their body and blast them with massively expensive 3D radiation machines. Also tons of chemo drugs, replacement organs, usually several returns to hospital over many years. Healthy people stay fit until they're old and then just kick - much less time in hospital and for much less serious things, usually.

You could be right. What perplexes me, is the fact, that despite of so much talking about how much smoking costs the society, the only statistical studies, I know, say that the social security system benefits from smokers, even If you only take the healthcare system into account. Since no scientist will earn money by making such 'politically incorrect' statements, the credibility of such studies is even higher IMHO.

Just google a bit for "The Social Security Cost of Smoking".

From my personal experience, I've seen some smokers die "in a hurry" and others, who never smoked, drank or ate fast food, who needed years of intensive care at the end of their lifes. And, back at the university, long time ago, I had the pleasure to visit the lectures of Professor Walter Krämer, who is somewhat the "bad guy of statistics", always revealing popular misapprehensions and statistical lies. One of his findings was, that smokers disburden the social security system.

Anyhow, since I don't trust any statistics, that I haven't falsified myself, I still think, that you could be right.

Cheers!

[Backpacker]

statistics

Seventy-five percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[riff]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[mwood72]

Re: statistics

Seventy-five percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I can relate to that working with stats myself