Getting saddened by the "Nic race"

[fugitiveinkblot]

also, an avg marlboro cigarette delivers 1.1 mg of nicotine, thats 22 mg per pack. A Odens Ekstra Sterk Cinnamon contains 17 mg, but only delivers about a third of that on avg, so about 6 mg of nicotine. Would it be safe to assume that 4 portions of Ekstra Sterk deliver the same amt of nicotine as a pack of smokes?

I mean, how much snus do you use in a day? How long do you keep it in for? The above post is right, your body will just become accustomed to whatever level of nicotine you give it.

Besides, when it comes to nicotine rush, I'd assume the pH of the snus would be more important, its what allows the nicotine to be absorbed faster, freebase. General regular strength has a quite high pH (almost that of Copenhagen) and I feel a greater nicotine rush from that than from my Skruf Stark. The Odens E.S. Cinnamon does give me quite a rush as well, but I don't use more than two pouches of that a day and I leave it in for a long time. Thats the big difference for E.S. for me, is that you can leave it in longer without losing its potency.

[sagedil]

Not quite

Only 10-20 % of the nicotine present in a pinch of snus is absorbed via the mucous membrane and reaches the systemic circulation. This means that only 1-2 mg of nicotine is absorbed into the blood from a one gram pinch containing ca 10 mg of nicotine.

So 16 mg nicotine in Thunder is what, about 1.6 - 2+ mg absorbed

For more, go here

http://www.swedishmatch.com/en/Snus-...cotine-uptake/

[fugitiveinkblot]

Ah for some reason i thought that was closer to 30 %, my bad.

[fugitiveinkblot]

However, this doesn't quite invalidate my point about the steady release effects of snus compared to cigarettes.

Two different beasts indeed.

[snusjus]

I think high nicotine snus is a blessing for those just off cigarettes. As well, they're great for nights when you're hammered and need all the nicotine you can get to avoid cigarettes. For me, at least, I'm used to regular portion snus while I'm sober. Its always good to have some Ekstra Sterk snus stashed away for party nights.

From all the strong snus I've tried, I believe General Ekstra Sterk is the most potent, even though it has lower nicotine compared to Thunder. The pH level is very high; just smell the stuff!

[superdevil]

I'm not a fan of a huge nic- hit either. And I may be wrong, but looking back over the last six months I've gone without ordering any snus, it seems that all the new cool brands are the extra strong nic content types. If that's what people want, them I'm not going to knock the manufacturers for answering a niche, but I'm just wondering how long it will be until we have 25 mg portions and such.

It kind of reminds me of the cartridge razor wars. One blade was fine for centuries, then the two blade was perfect for 25 years, now if you have less than six blades on your razor you're just not getting a decent shave. Enough is enough, IMO.

[Skimo]

I'm going to start using a straight knife to shave, good excuse to buy a new knife :twisted:

as long as there are options for snus with regular Vitamin N, I'm happy.

[RobsanX]

Actually, Thunder and N&J are the only strong snus without a regular strength counterpart. So it's not such a big deal to me...

[Skimo]

I manned up today and took a full 5 ml snus, looked like I had some FUBAR plasitc surgery.

[Roo]

Actually, Thunder and N&J are the only strong snus without a regular strength counterpart. So it's not such a big deal to me...

Damn good point RobsanX. I dig the strong portion and los options, but I do agree with others that equal attention should be paid to rolling out new regular strength varieties. Not to state the obvious, but as you said superdevil, the manufacturers surely did some market research and are simply giving the snus masses a supply for which there is definite demand.

For the sake of those who are dissatisfied with the new brands focused on the nic race, and for myself as well, I do hope we see some more normal strength offerings on the market soon to match the pace of the nic race. Especially in los

[sagedil]

Maybe the high nic is just playing catch up. Previous to this wave, all new snus was 8 mg. So let the high nic have it's turn.

[deebocools]

look, nicotine is not like heroin in many fairly significant ways, even though that's what most of us have been told.

tolerance doesn't just build forever with nicotine, that's why people don't just smoke "more and more" cigarettes. Some people stay with less than a pack, some 3-4 packs a day, but they're not quickly smoking 100 cigs a day and still being unsatisfied. Eventually, they reach a point where the body gets it in "adequate" amounts before it dissipates.

We all lovingly call it vitamin N, but that is also a misnomer for more than the obvious reasons. All nicotine users, allowed to indulge at their own pace, increase their nicotine levels over the course of a day. They don't just maintain a constant level, they ramp it up.(consider how long it takes for snus-absorbed nicotine to leave the body).

Just remain realistic. You will absolutely never see the day when we're all snusing 12 portions of 25mg snus because our tolerance is so high. Our bodies simply don't want to do that, and nicotine users(many here on the board) are remarkably good at not ODing on nicotine.

[jhf429]

I can understand the concept of having them and do use sterk portions regularly. Claq Qui is my all-day and I believe its 11 or 12mg, but I do also like an ES after a giant meal. Example: Tonight after a large Italian Meal I had and General ES and I felt very good. On and empty stomach in the morning I feel like my throat is closing and I'm going to puke. There are times for Sterk and Ex. Sterk and there are time for regular. At least thats my opinion. Just like for some there is a time for los and a time for portion. I do however think it's ridiculous to advertise "WORLDS STRONGEST SNUS NOW WITH 18MG/G!" Just my $.02.

[mercvrivs]

Frankly, new snuses are very exciting to me. It seems the extra strong snus niche is relatively new. If they produced new regular strength snuses as often as they're producing these, we'd have to see a lot more discontinued snuses to compensate for it. That is something I don't want to see. Slow and steady, sure; but I think there comes a point when I'm happy with my good old favorites (like Phantom, hint hint).

[TropicalBob]

It's just possible that this more-nic race is an invitation to regulatory disaster.

In the States, the House of Representatives has voted to hand over control of tobacco products to the FDA. That includes snus being imported into the country. Now, back when Big Pharma wanted to introduce lozenges and gum as NRT products, the FDA sharply limited the amount of nicotine a single unit could contain.

As a result, NRT products are too weak and too expensive. The FDA doesn't care. The products are "safe".

Among the very first actions anticipated from the FDA, once it is given control, is a reduction in the "addictive and poisonous" nicotine content of cigarettes. In other words, your 1mg ciggie becomes 0.02mg.

Very unsatisifying .. yet profitable since smokers will smoke more. Philip Morris will love it.

With some anti forces now aiming at smokeless, the high-nic snus will make an easy target. The evils of Demon Nicotine will be trumpeted and there will be calls for a maximum level of nicotine per pouch or average pris. It won't be 17mg. It won't even be 8mg. 4mg might be allowed. But more likely it will be around 2mg.

So that's my fear. Keep ramping up the nicotine and get ready for the boot of health crazies to come stomping down.