After most of us vented our frustration yesterday including yours truely, I decided to relax and just read some of the follow-up info regarding the new legislation. From what I gather PMI with the help of SM (whom they've formed a partnership of sorts with) may very well be heading in the snus direction much like Sweden did 20+ years ago. Since I don't believe a safe cigarette (other than e-cigs) could ever be developed and that they've purchased a number of smokeless tobacco companies would definately point in this direction. So this whole business may very well work out for all of us snusers. I do believe that PMI had this whole thing figured out a long time ago but had to go about it in the American fashion which is to fool most of the people most of the time. I'd love to hear everybody elses take on this!
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E-cigarettes can hardly be called cigarettes. Doesn't have the same feel.
Also, it doesn't matter how safe it is. The government is not our parent. We should be allowed to do what we want, even if it is bad for us. This is what liberals cannot understand. -
Once I read that SM had agreed to the bill I was comforted greatly by this. However I hope that SM will expand their product line and distribution here in the US as soon as possible, though I doubt they will until this legal mess clears up.Comment
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If PM supports legislation which results in Camel snus being banned, then I will never buy a PM product, snus or otherwise. They should compete in the marketplace rather than getting the govt to do their dirty work. I may be wrong about which legislation PM is supporting, so please correct me if I'm off-base (like I had to ask for that
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This is from 2006 but I thought this was interesting:
Gerry McKiernan, a spokesman for the Postal Service, said unlike the other delivery services, federal statutes govern how items may be mailed.
"If you put a stamp on it, we have to deliver it; we have no choice," McKiernan said. "Once you seal it, we can''t open it. The stamp seals the package against inspection unless you have a search warrant."
Source: http://www.smokersclubinc.com/module...ticle&sid=2877
More in depth from USPS on issue:
http://www.usps.com/communications/n...ibbons0424.htm
I guess it would still be illegal but looks like the risk is more on the distributor than on the consumer. I can only hope this will spur SM to increase distribution to retailers faster. I wish I had an idea of what Snus would cost with tobacco taxes. Assuming Camel limited snus quanity for price point reasons I would estimate Snus to cost about 6.40 in WI. But we have another tobacco tax pending so it probably would be $7/tin.Comment
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I'm sure places like Northerner, etc will still ship to us. Yes, technically illegal, but they can still send it. If it gets caught by customs, customs just sends it back. I've had several instances when shipping restricted things through customs, all successful. They really don't care I guess, unless you're importing something bad, such as illegal firearms.Comment
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true. i know of someone [i won't say who] that ordered a kind of cuban tobacco snus recently and it arrived. so it's taking a chance, but i doubt that it will be impossible to get it.Comment
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Hell any positive news is fine with me!! All of the doom and gloom is so damn depressing, and accomplishes absolutely nothing! Thanks for the ray of hope Snusdogg!Comment
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I guess what liberals (in the U.S.-sense, in Europe people called 'liberals' give a shit on any rules, I don't like neither too much) never understand is, that they are not wiser than the average consumer. They don't even know what is good and what is bad, otherwise the current direction of tobacco-policy in the U.S. (cigarettes over the counter are fine, snus by mail is probably banned in the near future) wouldn't have happened.Originally posted by Kvlt
I don't think they'll do that and I also don't think that someone who has lost 2 shipments in customs will make another order. I guess Northerner would rather try to enforce their business inside of Sweden, which still represents 99.9% of the snusers around the world anyway, and most brands are hard to find in local shops.Originally posted by Kvlt
Customs aren't stupid. As I said in another thread, in the EU cigarette-imports by mail (even from other EU-countries) are absolutely impossible after the EU-counterpart-law to the PACT-Act has been adopted around ten years ago. The last vendor has given up long before I stopped smoking.
There also won't be a black market for a niche-product like our beloved Swedish snus. The only hope for snusers in the U.S. IMHO is, that this moronic law gets revised.
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Another hope is for us to learn how to make our own at home.Comment
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No way do I have the time or skill to pull this off.Comment
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Are you talking about making your own? I don't have time to do it either, and I don't like loose. I'm just praying that after all this bullshit is done, I can still get at least one brand of stark portion snus. It's the only thing that can keep me away from cigarettes.Originally posted by rscott222Comment
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It only takes about ten minutes of actual work; that's shorter than it takes me to place an order online! The rest of the time it's in the oven or in the fridge. You can also buy the bag material in order to make your own portions.Originally posted by DaveInPA
If it comes down to it, we won't be able to ship tobacco through the mail, but we can order all the flavoring, humectants, and pouch material we would need.Comment
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I've seen documentaries on people attending teaching sessions on how to grow marijuana. Although it is illegal in some states, in others you can grow a small personal portion, so they have these seminars on how to do it. Maybe you have a second career opportunity here Lucky, just hold your convention in Vegas.Comment
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