Two new ideas for the snus community.

[Snusdog]

Being epistemologically self-conscious is a good thing (if we are reading philosophy books for the moment). And RRK I sympathize with what you want to do. If I understand you correctly, you are not trying to push a forum wide agenda but only trying to build community with others who have a similar approach to snus.

I think that by being reflective and self-aware of why and how you do something together with a genuine passion for it will inevitably be attractive to others. In other words, I don’t think you have to organize to accomplish what you are seeking. Rather, just share what you do with enthusiasm and integrity and it will catch on. In fact it is my experience that the first sign that an idea is dying is that it has become a movement (vitality exchanged for a mass appeal).

Young wanderer, in this case the ancient wisdom is right, “The way to do is to be”.

[RRK]

Yeh this is exactly what I am talking about. Snus is a pretty amazing thing and I hope more users could get past the whole nicotine issue and reach the want rather then need stage. The limiting your self part doesn't necessarily have to be a part of it, but for me it is important. I don't think I could trust my opinion of snus if my mind needs it.

That's funny, I don't think I can trust your opinion of snus cause you use it so differently than me, and 99% of the people here. You use 3 a day. Your business, but not how or why I use.

If you had spent 2 years here, you would realize just how insanely wrong this sentence is... "I hope more users could get past the whole nicotine issue and reach the want rather then need stage." I have seen literally thousands of people here develop a deep and abiding love of snus, regardless of nicotine issues. As I have posted MANY times, my deep love of snus come from the very fact I no longer ever have to think about nicotine. It is just ":taken care of". ALL my thoughts now are just about the snus I love, and why I love one over another. Has led me to love snuff. And soon, a pipe every now and then.

I don't know how you can read the same Snuson I read, and think hardly anyone here isn't operating from a want standpoint, not a need standpoint. If need controled, I would just smoke.

Ok Sage, I understand your opinion. I am "insanely wrong". I don't use snus the way you or most people do. This is why I posted this idea as being new. I thought maybe some other snus users may share my opinion. Though I have not been here for two years I do believe that most snusers are using for nicotine addiction, which is a need. I think snus could have uses that do not necessarily include dependance or I would not be here. At least five other people think its a decent idea so I am happy with that.

[RRK]

I have fooled around with pipes off and on over the years. I have found that what I *really* enjoy is the smell of someone else's pipe.

I can leave my room after having a pipe and come back in a few minutes, and that's the nicest. Maybe someday I will meet a very sweet lady doctor with bad eyesight who smokes a pipe. Ahh, dreams.

Pipes are good, I smoked a tobacco pipe years before I smoked a cigarette. I spent far to much time out of my only trip to Europe sitting on the ledge of the Seine, reading Jack Kerouac and enjoying Cherry Cavendish.

[RRK]

Being epistemologically self-conscious is a good thing (if we are reading philosophy books for the moment). And RRK I sympathize with what you want to do. If I understand you correctly, you are not trying to push a forum wide agenda but only trying to build community with others who have a similar approach to snus.

I think that by being reflective and self-aware of why and how you do something together with a genuine passion for it will inevitably be attractive to others. In other words, I don’t think you have to organize to accomplish what you are seeking. Rather, just share what you do with enthusiasm and integrity and it will catch on. In fact it is my experience that the first sign that an idea is dying is that it has become a movement (vitality exchanged for a mass appeal).

Young wanderer, in this case the ancient wisdom is right, “The way to do is to be”.

Thank you, of course I would never push for a forum wide agenda. Infringing on others is is the only sin in my book. I will continue to follow my own ways of using snus. I just thought others may want to know that there are other ways.

[spirit72]

Afraid of what?? That it will lead you back to cigarettes?? I mean, I already still smoke that occasional cigarette. Can't imagine a pipe would lead me more.

Not so much that it will lead me back to cigarettes, because that ship has sailed. More that it will lead me back to smoking anything regularly. There's a decent chance that it will just bring back a few issues that I really don't want back.

Plus, I do have three kids who I will absolutely not smoke around. That leaves me outside, and Ohio in January is not terribly conducive to outdoor piping. :wink:

But the last time I smoked a single cigarette was last November, so almost a year now. And it only ever really hits me in Fall. Always loved smoking outside in the Fall. Anymore, that's the only time of year that I catch myself looking twice at the cigarette display.

Nah. Most of the time, I think I need to just keep walking and stop looking back.

But really if you're gonna smoke, the pipe is the way to go. Very enjoyable.

[MojoQuestor]

Most of the time, I think I need to just keep walking and stop looking back.

I endorse this philosophy.

Plus, I understand the whole pillar of salt thing is really uncomfortable.

[RRK]

Plus, I do have three kids who I will absolutely not smoke around. That leaves me outside, and Ohio in January is not terribly conducive to outdoor piping. :wink:

I'm in Ohio and I only smoke cigars outside. For me my hot tub makes it a year round event. :wink:

[JPono]

I think that by being reflective and self-aware of why and how you do something together with a genuine passion for it will inevitably be attractive to others. In other words, I don’t think you have to organize to accomplish what you are seeking. Rather, just share what you do with enthusiasm and integrity and it will catch on.

Young wanderer, in this case the ancient wisdom is right, “The way to do is to be”.

I was just sitting down to type a proper response to this thread and you said exactly what I wanted to...just better, I'm sure. I agree!!!..and very well said.

[sagedil]

[quote="RRK"]

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Though I have not been here for two years I do believe that most snusers are using for nicotine addiction, which is a need. I think snus could have uses that do not necessarily include dependance or I would not be here.

No, not possible. Nicotine is addictive, one of the most addictive of any drugs. Maybe a very few people can use and not include dependence, but simply not true fro the great majority of people who ever try it enough

We are addicts. Some may chose to keep that addiction, some may wish they didn't have it but ALL of us (98.6%+) are here because we choose snus as the best/safest/tastiest/cleanest/ pick any, all, or something else way to manage our nicotine addiction.

If you are looking to befriend others who use snus just out of some transmystical experimentation, good luck with that. But that is just not what most of us are here about. And yes, although you may not mean too, standing there with your pronouncements about what would be a "better" way of using snus just strikes me as incredibly offensive

[spirit72]

Most of the time, I think I need to just keep walking and stop looking back.

I endorse this philosophy.

Plus, I understand the whole pillar of salt thing is really uncomfortable.

LMAO!!!! :lol:

Yeah, pretty good point!

And I guess that's pretty much what it is for me. I don't think that a pipe now and then would *absolutely necessarily* shoot my BP and pulse back up.

But I *do* think that a Pipe Now And Then would not remain a Pipe Now And Then for very long. It's just something I know about myself.

[MojoQuestor]

I can stand here and say

I love snus.

I once said that about cigarettes too,
but I don't love them anymore.

I can't see the future,
But I am willing

to try

to be open to it.

[sagedil]

Ah, if you have health reasons not to do it, then why do it.

But I am looking so forward to this next tobacco adventure. Snuff has been a surprisingly wonderful addition to my life, I am excited about opening a whole new third world of tobacco for me.

[RRK]

Though I have not been here for two years I do believe that most snusers are using for nicotine addiction, which is a need. I think snus could have uses that do not necessarily include dependance or I would not be here.

No, not possible. Nicotine is addictive, one of the most addictive of any drugs. Maybe a very few people can use and not include dependence, but simply not true fro the great majority of people who ever try it enough

We are addicts. Some may chose to keep that addiction, some may wish they didn't have it but ALL of us (98.6%+) are here because we choose snus as the best/safest/tastiest/cleanest/ pick any, all, or something else way to manage our nicotine addiction.

If you are looking to befriend others who use snus just out of some transmystical experimentation, good luck with that. But that is just not what most of us are here about. And yes, although you may not mean too, standing there with your pronouncements about what would be a "better" way of using snus just strikes me as incredibly offensive

Yes, I understand. Just calm down. I have been very careful not to say that my opinion is better then anyone else's. It is not impossible to use addictive substances without becoming dependent. I use caffeine, alcohol, sugar...etc and I have tried many other addictive substances.I am not conducting any "transmystical experimentation". I don't want anyone to think I am attacking snus use. I tried to make that clear with my first post. It's fine if you disagree.

[sagedil]

Come on, just look at the science. If you are able to use both caffeine and nicotine, without becoming physically dependent on either, then that's swell for you. But you must know that makes you about 5% of the population. Everyone else, with enough use, WILL become physically addicted.

Would you encourage your friends who never smoked to start using snus??? If you answer yes to that question, please know you will be outright condemned here by 95% of the users here.

If you answer no to that question, you just contradicted what you said above.

So I am curious what your answer is.


And this....

I propose that if snus users can impose a limit on their use then it could be appreciated as a luxury just like cigars, fine spirits, fine foods...etc. Personally, I limit myself to 2 cups of coffee a day, 1-2 stiff drinks per day, 1 cigar per week, and 1 snus after each meal.

Just makes you sound self important and somehow better than all of us cause you are so very damn well restrained. Yes, I found it all offensive, sorry. I just did.

[spirit72]

Ah, if you have health reasons not to do it, then why do it.

But I am looking so forward to this next tobacco adventure. Snuff has been a surprisingly wonderful addition to my life, I am excited about opening a whole new third world of tobacco for me.

Yeah, and it's not so much current health issues as it is that I've made a lot of progress health-wise this year, and I guess I'm just hypersensitive right now to doing anything that might jeopardize it.

I may certainly change my mind later on, but not today. Probably not tomorrow, either. :wink:

I do think you'll enjoy it, though. Takes some practice to get some good technique down, but it pays off in spades. Keep us posted---it seems we have more than a few current and former pipers around.