Swedish snus and Swedish death metal

[KarlvB]

I like Unleashed alot, Candlemass(Messiah stuff), Dark Funeral, Marduk, and some d-beat bands like Meanwhile. I wonder if these guys snus?

I know In Flames uses snus. There is even a link to the Swedish Match site on their website

http://www.inflames.com/Links.aspx

[KarlvB]

I would have said Morbid Angel.

If we are talking about the top spot I would disagree. IMHO few albums have ever topped Necroticism and it is still one of my favourite albums of all time

Ps: I guess you are referring to Blessed are the Sick as Altars of Madness was released in 1989.

[tom502]

I really didn't remember what year it came out, but I seem to remember them hitting their high point in the 90's. Also Unleashed started in the 90's, Entombed.... I sorta mophed over to black metal in the 90's.

[daruckis]

black metal is far superior.

[KarlvB]

black metal is far superior.

Probably depends on your viewpoint.

I listen to a few black metal bands (Immortal, Satyricon, Darkthrone, Wolves in the Throne Room, Vreid, Anaal Nakrath and a few others) but I think, like death metal, it has suffered from bands jumping on the bandwagon and churning out crap. The whole "more evil than thou" shtick also got old pretty quickly IMO.

Death metal on the other hand is what I grew up with so I just love it because that is all I listened to for so long - along with all the great thrash metal bands.

And there is just something about the Swedish death metal sound - how can anyone not love the Gothenburg sound or the heyday of Florida death metal?

[daruckis]

yeah i actually am pretty sure i hate more bands of each genre than i actually like, but i grew up on punk, hardcore, and thrash, and grind lead me to black and death metal. im sure theyre hated by most, but i really like behemoth. probably my favorite extreme metal band.

[tom502]

Immortal is mine, and Venom.

[daruckis]

i think immortals music is killer, but god damn dude, they are a ****ing JOKE. they come across too goofy to look evil. i think gorgoroth pulls off the evilness well.

venom on the other hand, kicks mondo ass.

im a really big mercyful fate and king diamond fan. and bathory, but not black metal early bathory, i like the latter days viking metal bathory. i have nordland I and blood on ice in my car cd changer at all times. makes me feel like im driving somewhere epic as ****.

[tom502]

Immortal is in your face cheese image with awesome music. You can't take them serious, or any of them really. It's art, image, performance. If you think these guys with make up on are serious evil devil worshipers, then I think one misses the picture. Immortal's lyrics also are fantasy, and it fits in with their over the top image, and they know it. It's fun.

I really like all Bathory, I really like Hammerheart, and Blood Fire Death, and Under the Sign of the Black Mark. I might try a Bathory inspired song on my next CD.

King Diamond/Mercyful Fate is great, saw them live once.

[amdusias]

I love Mercyful Fate. For Swedish thrash there is a band called Enforcer that sounds like Iron Maiden but thrashy.

[daruckis]

Immortal is in your face cheese image with awesome music. You can't take them serious, or any of them really. It's art, image, performance. If you think these guys with make up on are serious evil devil worshipers, then I think one misses the picture. Immortal's lyrics also are fantasy, and it fits in with their over the top image, and they know it. It's fun.

I really like all Bathory, I really like Hammerheart, and Blood Fire Death, and Under the Sign of the Black Mark. I might try a Bathory inspired song on my next CD.

King Diamond/Mercyful Fate is great, saw them live once.

yeah. i wish id gotten someone to be immortal with me for halloween. or just for everyday life.

[tom502]

I picked up some black and white makeup and I'm going to wear it on the cover of my next CD.

[shikitohno]

Re: Snobs Take Multiple Casualties In Latest Music Taste War

Ah the "sell out sound". :lol:

Sell out?

I guess that is why Terrorizer gave it the honour of being the second most influential death metal album of the nineties? :? :? :?

Ps: Necroticism was #1)

Well, judging by the name Kvlt, and others across the internet that I've run into with such a moniker, if it doesn't sound like it was recorded in a tin lunchbox, the guy who did the mixing knew what he was doing, the artwork isn't photocopied, or the musicians know how to play their instruments (rather than throwing an epileptic guy at a drum kit and turning on a strobe light), it's sell out music. It's the thing the bugs me most about the whole black/death metal thing. Once a band or musician in either of these genres obtains a modicum of success, or tries to do something with the music that doesn't resemble exactly what Emperor or Darkthrone were doing in the early 90s, hordes of online "kvlt" metalheads come out of the woodwork to deride the band as selling out.

Some, I'll genuinely give them, like Dimmu Borgir. But for the most part, it seems to just be elitist assholes being, well, elitist assholes. They moan and groan about how there's no good stuff any more, and how much better things used to be, but when a band comes along that tries to be innovative, they tear it to shreds in a wild frenzy. Either stop attacking people every time they try to answer your complaints about nothing current being as good as it used to be, or stop complaining and just listen to the stuff you already own.

@Kvlt: The rant's not really directed at you, just a segment of the internet that's been frustrating me for a while, so please don't be too offended by it. A little offense is okay though, 'cause you did chose the name Kvlt. While you might be a smart, well-adjusted guy, you associated yourself with hordes of unwashed 20-30 somethings living in their parent's basement listening to inane groups like Aschmicrosa by picking that name.

On an aside, it's not really Swedish Death Metal, although it owes much to it. Anybody like Blut aus Nord? I'm becoming increasingly fond of them, although since they're stuff is becoming increasingly less orthodox, it's only a matter of time before they've "sold out."

[tom502]

I like the kvlt stuff, but as a musician I know it's hard to make the same album over and over, unless you are The Ramones or Motorhead. Yet some bands can do that, and because they do it so well, you are always happy with it. Sure I'd love to see Transylvanian Hunger part 2, but it just isn't happening. I think the term, sell out, to me, is when a band makes a conscious decision to change what they had been doing for the sole purpose to become popular, like if Marduk changed their style to try and sound like Cradle of Filth thinking it would get them more fans, that would be a sell out, I think Metallica sould out when Cliff died, and think Celtic Frost's Cold Lake album was an attempt to sell out but failed.

[KarlvB]

Re: Snobs Take Multiple Casualties In Latest Music Taste War

On an aside, it's not really Swedish Death Metal, although it owes much to it. Anybody like Blut aus Nord? I'm becoming increasingly fond of them, although since they're stuff is becoming increasingly less orthodox, it's only a matter of time before they've "sold out."

This is what John Darnielle (vocalist for the Mountain Goats - one of my favourite bands of ALL time - if not my absolute favourite) said about the Blut Aus Nord album

"To put it simply and bluntly: Blut Aus Nord's Memoria Vetusta II: Dialogue with the Stars is a masterpiece. It is both exemplary within its discipline (black metal, duh) and forward-looking; it attains the latter quality without coming off like a grade-schooler desperate for attention. Plenty of the black metal one hears praised in recent years is just fine but not really all that special in the broader context, but Memoria Vetusta II keeps truly elite company and could hold its own on a shelf made up only of the acknowledged milestones. On vinyl, its four sides suggest an inner development that can be called "symphonic" with a straight face. By the time I got to the soloing on the fourth side I was cheering. If you like black metal, past or present, you should seek this one out."

Ps: Mountain Goats is usually grouped under the folk/alt/indie category but John has stellar taste in music. I saw him do a show in London wearing a Sarcofago shirt (who can forget the immortal Sarcofago line "If you are a false, don't entry or you will be burned and died"