American Snus (done the swedish way)

[texasmade]

discreet is really good at getting flavors down...id love to try their swedish version when it comes out i have nothing but high expectations for them.

[Kvlt]

I'd be against this because it increases the viability of snus, and ultimately it's attention during tobacco bans.

[justintempler]

Re: American Snus (done the swedish way)

How much money do you think it would cost to start up an American snus company producing snus like the Swedes?

What kind of company do you have in mind? Manufacturing isn't what cost money, it's the distribution, and legal fees.

[tobacco tom]

COST

three million bucks to open the doors and this on the cheap side belive me I know

[PsychoHazard]

Re: COST

three million bucks to open the doors and this on the cheap side belive me I know

Yeah, that's about what my research showed (plus or minus a few hundred grand, depending on location, local regulations, intended scope, etc). A little rich for my blood, although I've since thought of trying something a little less ambitious, like doing small batch limited edition/artisan crafted snus or something. Possibly something along the lines of what Kardus has become, except more often. It would definitely decrease some of the overhead, although it would most likely take longer to become profitable, and cost more on the R&D end.

[RRK]

Re: COST

three million bucks to open the doors and this on the cheap side belive me I know

Wow, thats more then I thought. I was thinking in the hundreds of thousands. Shows the only business I have started is a home based one.

[TheOneandOnly]

Tom, has your company turned profits yet? Or are you still too new?

[Fightin Phils]

i can't stand american beer. it's as if we don't do anything right over here :S

I agree if you're talking about the typical American urine beer like Coors, Miller, and Bud. But there's some good stuff out there. I wouldn't mind a Sam Adams or Yuengling snus!

[wadetheblade]

boutique snus. Basically buy the tobacco from organic farmers. Similar to what American spirit does. Process it, package it, small scale distribution. I guess it would be a labor of love and hard to profit from. But make it just like the Swedes. Bring different flavors to the mix (a different thread thats on here somewhere). Do what's not done, like long cut los and unorthodox advertising. Grassroots stuff.

[adm]

I can't stand american beer. it's as if we don't do anything right over here :S

You've got some GREAT beer in the US - seek out your local craft breweries and try their wares. Look for things like Goose Island, Lagunitas, Flying Dog, Stone, Avery Brewing Co., etc, etc, etc.....

America now has hundreds of great little craft breweries - just look harder when you are in your liquor store - and if they don't have any, tell them to damn well order them in or you won't be buying shit from them.

A good hoppy IPA with Swedish snus.....mmmmmmm

Just stay away from the big macro breweries though....they really DO suck.

[wadetheblade]

Dogfish Head 90 minute, just sayin!!!!!

[adm]

Great example!

[Snusify]

I am unsure i would make the investment.

funny how things revolve in time.

during the early 1900's the mass numbers of swedish immigrants into america caused snus to be in very high demand and its documented that in chicago during this period streets were nicknamed 'snus junction' 'snus boulevard'

Swedish snus was expensive to import so they started making their own. The first national brand was 'seal snus' which led to redseal.

Then production costs got higher so to meet demand it was produced using cheaper methods in america and brands such as skoal came out.

copenhagen snuff also became very popular around this time.

It funny that what we call dip today was still being referred to as snus right up until the end of the 1940's and into the 50's.

So the popularity of 'dip' and the flavours it holds are what the majority of american smokeless tobacco users want.

This is probably why american snus made today have gone for fruit and sweet flavours.

the problem is that todays american snus does not compare at all with the strength and quality of swedish snus, nor does it come close to the quality of dip.

So many smokeless tobacco users in america who have tried camel snus, klondike and now discreet really dislike snus and say it is crap. Some dippers are convinced it the pasteurisation of the tobacco that is the cause of it being bad.

discreet are going for the 7% of smokers that are switching to smokeless.

how would one convince a big enough market of the existing smokeless user base that your snus would be any different. It would require a huge investment in marketing.

[tom502]

Put the 3 types of Thunder Cans on the racks at the local stores, and I think they would sell.

[daruckis]

I can't stand american beer. it's as if we don't do anything right over here :S

You've got some GREAT beer in the US - seek out your local craft breweries and try their wares. Look for things like Goose Island, Lagunitas, Flying Dog, Stone, Avery Brewing Co., etc, etc, etc.....

America now has hundreds of great little craft breweries - just look harder when you are in your liquor store - and if they don't have any, tell them to damn well order them in or you won't be buying shit from them.

A good hoppy IPA with Swedish snus.....mmmmmmm

Just stay away from the big macro breweries though....they really DO suck.

+1 goose island rules. michigan breweries are kicking ass these days. bells, new holland, founders.