might be going back to portions?

**KarlvB** · 24-11-09, 11:48 AM

I haven't used my prismaster much (it was a freebie with an order) and tend to use an Icetool so I can't give you an accurate answer.

But for reference I find that a two click pris with an Icetool is about equivalent to a original portion. Perhaps a bit stronger. Note: I am referring to regular strength lös.

I'd suggest going for original portions at first to see how they work for you. No need to double up. Perhaps just up your usage a bit.

If that doesn't work perhaps go for a middle of the road stark - N&J, Onyx, General Sterk

And if that still doesn't do the trick bring in the big guns - General Extra Sterk, Skruf Stark, Claq Qui (Personally I won't recommend Thunder as I didn't enjoy the portions but your experience might differ. Also, Thunder along with Oden's is highly rated by a lot of people on the forum)

I've gone back and forth between starks and regular strength portions and to be honest it really doesn't make much difference IMO. There doesn't seem to be the big difference you would have between going from 20 cigarettes a day to 10 cigarettes a day for example.

But that's just me.

**justintempler** · 24-11-09, 02:04 PM

If you made the switch from portions to lös and you like it then stick with it, invest in an Icetool. It will more than pay for itself compared to the cost of portions. You can customize the size of your prillas 1-5 clicks, so upping or lowering your dosage is a breeze and something you can't do with portions. 8)

**whalen** · 24-11-09, 04:12 PM

I do not understand what part of these symptoms have to do with snus? This sounds like a hey doctor moment! I am a recovering heart patient, and what you are describing is not normal by any means. Check your blood pressure! Nicotine raises mine, I have to moderate my uptake, but being tired sounds like a warning sign of something more serious.

Hope I am wrong, but I do have a brand new 14 inch scar right down the middle of my chest, I do know what to look for as far as symptoms are concerned. Trust me, you do not want one of these! The facts are like this, at 40, an American male has a 1 in 2 chance of heart disease , not good at all. I only survived because I did something right away as soon as I realized something was wrong, I was facing sudden death. Its all good now-

**lxskllr** · 24-11-09, 04:19 PM

V2 lös has more usable nicotine than many brands. Their portions might also, but I can't keep them in my mouth long enough to find out :^D You're getting too much nicotine, hence the tiredness.

I'd suggest handbaking the Phantom, and see if that's more agreeable to you. I use an IceTool with almost all of my snus, but I handbake V2 lös, because it packs too tightly using snus tools. I find IceTooled V2 very uncomfortable as you described, but I don't have any problems when it's handbaked.

Alternatively, try a different brand. I suggest Gotland, and they still come in a 50g tin. It's like getting a free tin of snus with every roll you buy ;^)

**justintempler** · 24-11-09, 04:33 PM

I handbake everything, I don't even own an Icetool yet.

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The Icetool just makes it easier to dose the snus for those that get carried away with the size of their prillas and are concerned about controlling how much they use.

**Gizmer** · 25-11-09, 12:26 AM

I've recently decided to try los and got a prismaster to play around with. I only got SM and v2 brands and I must agree that handbaking the v2 is far better. I almost made myself sick with nicotine with the prismaster and v2. But I'm a los dummy

**StiffUpperLip** · 25-11-09, 09:34 PM

A prismaster loose packed makes a pris roughly the same size of a standard large portion.

**Kvlt** · 26-11-09, 02:16 AM

In regards to portion size, check with the nicotine content. For example, General Extra Sterk portion has more nicotine per gram than loose. Might be because loose snusers use bigger portions (usually 2 grams). If you use 2 gram portions, you will get 2-3 less servings per can (not taking into consideration "lost" snus than falls out of the can, etc.