Newbie and trouble sleeping

[Christi]

Alright y'all.

I got my order yesterday and went through about 11 pouches. 5 Thunder Frost, 5 Catch E. and one General Wintergreen. I couldn't sleep last night. My body is used to the crappy Camel Snus Frost and I think I OD'ed on Nic. Anyone else think so? Maybe I need mini's from now on? Ugg, all I know is I couldn't fall asleep for shit and I didn't like that at all. I was up at 5:30am and immediately popped in a Thunder w/ my first cup of joe. I hope that I make it through the day!! :P

[MojoQuestor]

It's only one day, but--I've been using snus for getting up on four months now, and for much of that time have had the worst insomnia. In fact my insomnia predates my snus usage. In the last couple of weeks, it's better. I've reduced my nic levels, and also my caffeine usage. I try to get regular exercise in the mornings (I used to take walks at night). There are also some stress issues. At the moment all I can do is manage my stress. All that seems to help, but yeah, high nicotine can do it, at least contribute to it. Again, it's only one night.

On the other hand, I've fallen asleep with snus in my mouth before. I think a lot off ppl on the forum have.

Just take it up slowly, and give your body time to adjust to things, would be my advice.

(Here I sit, talking about reducing nic usage, with a pris of Oden's Original Estra Stark in my mouth :?)

[tom502]

I've suffered from Insomnia all my life, and I don't know if my current snus use has any effect on it, or my caffine use. But I try to limit my stark use to maybe 2 or 3 times a day, spaced out, like morning 1st, after dinner, and sometimes after lunch. I didn't have any starks yesterday, and I may not today.

[Christi]

Thanks! I will try to cut back on the Thunder today...it is just so darn good

[Veganpunk]

I don't think you need to switch to mini's, just slow down a little bit, mainly at night. When it's getting close for me to sleep, I will use a mini, of a Klondike (since the flavor doesn't last to long). I usually only use Thunder in the daytime.

[MojoQuestor]

Yeah, probably the issue here is the drastic change, US Camels one day, Thunder and friends the next day. Just settle into a routine, and like Vegan says go easier in the evening, and you should be fine.

[LaZeR]

I've suffered insomnia for years but I also dipped Copenhagen for 30 years just switching to snus some months back. I haven't had any trouble getting or staying to sleep since using snus. Note, I do still and have for the past several years take a Xanax (Prescribed for Anxiety & Insomnia) at bedtime though.

[Christi]

I think that I will watch the evening intake like suggested. I will slow up on the Thunders as well. I really like the flavor of the Thunder better than the Catch E so that is one issue. I have some Discreet on order, anyone have a review of them? I decided to get the Thunder in the frost mini since it is smaller (same nic content I think) and some General mint mini for later in the day (to replace the Camel Frost). I am up to suggestion since I haven't placed my order yet I can add to it if you tell me something good to try!

[CoderGuy]

Thanks! I will try to cut back on the Thunder today...it is just so darn good

Christi welcome and yes, it is SO darn good. I found myself chaining it and started also having headaches and insomnia. I forced myself to switch to the General Wintergreen (not as good but I also love that one) and the 01 to get with an occasional Skruf Stark portion in the afternoon and it has helped.

CG

[sagedil]

I too have suffered from occasional bouts of insomnia since long before I started using snus. But since I started smoking at 9, I guess I have simply always used tobacco.

Not sure the snus causes it, but I am sure it doesn't help. I just deal with it the best way I can

[Ulsterman]

I honestly think that this is a temporary thing.

I suffer from sleep problems - it's getting to sleep is the problem with me but once I'm asleep WWIII wouldn't wake me. Shift work doesn't help.
So I take prescription medicine once a week and in between on the odd ocassion I'll take whats known as Phenergan 25mg times 2 tablets (Promethazine). It's perfectly safe and it's over the counter and it might help you if you're having temporary problems.

When I changed from cigs to snus there were no changes in my sleep patterns at all. The reason for the prescription medication is because if I don't sleep one night it tends to trigger complete insomnia with me - so the prescription med would knock a horse out and gets me back in routine.

[lxskllr]

Keep the snus in longer. 11's kind of a lot. I generally use 7-9 prises/portions per day, and I almost always have snus in.

[Mostar]

Keep the snus in longer. 11's kind of a lot....

I'll have to agree with this.

To the OP: I only go through 5-6 a day, but they are strong ones (Thunder Blue, Odens Licorice/General ES).
Get your fix of flavour and nic but I wouldn't chain snus as you would a pack of smokes

Your insomnia may be related to the massive amount of nicotine you have apparently ingested

[teeotee]

Hi Christi, i'm just gonna back up all the advice you already have been given.
On average i'll use maybe 8 portions in a day. Most times i'll have one in for at least 90 min maybe two hours depending on the portion.
I also recently delved into the Extra Sterks in a big way. Tried one can, loved it, got more, went crazy on them and had real problems sleeping one night. Since then i try to keep off the ES for at least a couple of hours before i go to bed. For the last two weeks i've been back on the regulars to try and lower nic intake but it just isn't the same. My next order will be a mix of regs and ES.
The Frosted minis are good, i just had my first can. For a mini they have the same punch as a regular portion but i do feel that i get a quicker and better nic hit with the thunder minis than say a regular portion of Ettan but they don't last as long.
I tried the discreet and personally didn't like them too much. But who knows, you may like them.
If you're liing the Thunder i would also recommend trying some Odens ES. My personal fav is the Kanel.

Just keep trying lots of different brands and flavors. I've been doing this since April 09 and i'm just now really starting to nail down my favs.

Happy snussing

[Snusdog]

Keep the snus in longer. 11's kind of a lot. I generally use 7-9 prises/portions per day, and I almost always have snus in.

I second lxskllr's advice

However, at the same time, sleep isn't all that its cracked up to be