Olde Viking Spearmint Snus

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  • Adrian
    Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 20

    #61
    Olde Viking 5

    Olde Viking 5
    To get the facts straight on when Swedish Snus was made and how?
    To summaries the history I could start with saying that in the beginning of 18 century did Sweden start with oral Snus in which we call it LÖS Snus. In 1822 did Ljunglöfs start its professional production until 1915. In 1915 were there around 100 snus producers around Sweden, and that when STA (Svenska Tobak Aktiebolag) came into the picture. In 1915 the fifth tobacco monopoly was a fact. All kinds of tobacco production were bought out and about a hundred various snus producers were nationalized.

    Snus consumption increased correspondingly and beat all records in 1919 when 7.000 tons of snus were sold. During the following years, the snus consumption decreased mainly in favour of cigarettes. In 1967 the national monopoly was dissolved and at the same time snus usage boosted when various reports stressed the health hazard smoking entailed. Until that time all Swedish Snus production was fermented above 60 Decrease Celcius and stored for around a week heating storages. The unique quality of Swedish Snus (=wet snus) is due to the manufacturing process (fermentation), which inactivates the main part of micro-organism that may exist. The process also minimizes the risk for formation of TSNA (tobacco specific nitrosamines) during the production.

    During the 70’s individually portioned snus was introduced and sales have steadily increased since then. During 2003 more than 193 millions of snuscans, corresponding to 6.761 tons of snus, were sold in Sweden. Now days manufacturers are using pasteurizing methods to come by the high demands, steaming it around 110 Decrease Celcius for around 4 hours.

    GAJANE & GN TOBACCO.
    GN Tobacco are using the traditional manual fermentation process with heating room fermentation. This is unique for GN as the competitors are using a fully automatic process where they are speeding up the process by using steam, so that the fermentation is done very fast. GN´s process is around one week of fermentation wich is one of the reasons that GN has the markets lowest levels of TSNA in the portion snus.

    Olde Viking:

    Since the lab has been a bit delayed with the result and measurements of Olde Viking we where not able to give you guys a correct TSNA level or a nicotine level. But today we have the report and i could confirm that the nicotine level is measured to be 9mg and TSNA level have been measured up to 0.5 PPM.

    Is GN tobacco using the same methods as they did for Grand Prix and Roots?

    The answer is no they are not using the same method and not even the same tobacco mixture. Gajane has very strictly explained to GN tobacco that they are looking for quality and has pushed the budget to be able to order some of the worlds finest tobacco leafs available.
    That is enough for now. Mr. Larry Water will write more on his upcoming article on Gajane and GN Tobacco.

    Regards
    Adrian

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    • lxskllr
      Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 13435

      #62
      Maybe I'll try Olde Viking after all. If it isn't being made like SnusAB's snus, it's at least worth a shot.

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      • TBD
        Member
        • Jul 2008
        • 817

        #63
        Larry's article is up over at snuscentral... interesting points I'd like to see answered.

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        • justintempler
          Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 3090

          #64
          Originally posted by TBD
          Larry's article is up over at snuscentral... interesting points I'd like to see answered.
          Glad to see Larry add his $.02.

          I don't agree with everything he said. For example, I would think it possible to ferment the snus to get the desired flavor and then pasteurize the snus just long enough to kill the bacteria that causes TSNA formation. I'm no expert so I could be wrong.

          The cutoff line for fermentation is 135-140° F (57-60 ° C) once you exceed that temperature the bacteria that does the fermentation is killed off.

          If you want the technical explanation comparing the two processes old vs. new you can read the RJ Reynolds patent.

          Process for producing moist snuff
          Andrew J. Sensabaugh et al

          A method in which moist snuff is produced, differing radically from the prior art. The tobacco is hogshead-aged for only about two years. Instead of producing snuff taste characteristics through fermentation, the tobacco is cased and chemical reactions, including Maillard reactions, are induced...

          Inventors: Andrew J. Sensabaugh, Jr., Ronald L. Parks, Arvol C. Marsh, Jr.
          Assignee: R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company
          http://www.google.com/patents/about?...BAJ&dq=4528993

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          • RRK
            Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 926

            #65
            Originally posted by TBD
            Larry's article is up over at snuscentral...
            Good article.

            Also, is hogshead aging similar to the perique fermentation technique? Isn't this process making basically American moist snuff?

            Could they be adding preservatives like in this Lorillard memo?
            http://tobaccodocuments.org/ahf/01060059-0065.html

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            • Mr. Unloadingzone
              Member
              • Jun 2008
              • 317

              #66
              Originally posted by justintempler
              The cutoff line for fermentation is 135-140° F (57-60 ° C) once you exceed that temperature the bacteria that does the fermentation is killed off.
              Thanks for the temperature correction...I was going by Adrian's 60 degree F statement in his last post. Didn't make sense, but I failed metric conversion so 60 C makes a lot more sense.

              I'm going to edit that in the article. Thanks for the catch!

              Sincerely,

              Larry

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              • Adrian
                Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 20

                #67
                MY Corretion!

                In my article i have written Fahrenheit but it is suppose to be Celcius (oC). My bad, so fragmentation is above 60 oC and pasteurization above 110 oC.
                Regards
                Adrian

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                • daruckis
                  Member
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 2277

                  #68
                  anyone tried this yet? my curiosity is piqued.

                  totally stoked for the original portion and los to come out also.

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                  • Premium Parrots
                    Super Moderators
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 9758

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Veganpunk
                    I just ordered a can (as I love Spearmint) and threw in the Spice one as well. I really need to stop ordering (the wife is gonna kill me!) but they keep making new and interesting snus!
                    I found the spearmint on northerner but where is the spice? I'd like to order these asap.
                    Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I killed because they were annoying......





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                    • Veganpunk
                      Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 5381

                      #70
                      GO to the new products. It's right next to the mango.

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                      • tom502
                        Member
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 8985

                        #71
                        http://www.swedish-snus.com/snus/Whi...Portion-21971/

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                        • Premium Parrots
                          Super Moderators
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 9758

                          #72
                          Thanks for the quick reply. thats not viking spice thats the indian crap. your post led me to believe that there is a viking spice. so I guess there is no such thing...........yet
                          Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I killed because they were annoying......





                          I've been wrong lots of times.  Lots of times I've thought I was wrong only to find out that I was right in the beginning.


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                          • Veganpunk
                            Member
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 5381

                            #73
                            Yea, I ordered the Indian Spice. Sounds good.

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                            • chadizzy1
                              Member
                              • May 2009
                              • 7432

                              #74
                              So apparently Olde Viking is making it's way into stores.

                              I've gotten alot of emails about it, saying where Tourney/Grand Prix used to be, they're seeing Olde Viking in stores.

                              Anyone else?

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                              • tom502
                                Member
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 8985

                                #75
                                But Adrian said they didn't have the connection with Ligget-Vector, the American company which put Tourney/Grand Prix in American shops, I think that's what I read, and so, if this is true, they should not be in American gas stations that carry Tourney.... right?

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