Random rolls and nic strength

[MelangeMan]

I've noticed that as I place my orders for random rolls from buysnus, they consist of more and more high nic snus and less regular.

However, high nic snus seems to be very popular from the posts around here. I would have figured the lower nics would be sent out on a random purchase.

This kind of seems dumb as I'm typing it. I've got no complaints. I ordered random, got random.

Its quite a bit more expensive to pick out my own snus. It seems that prices for everything but Phantom have gone up. So I order random for $20 a roll at buysnus.

I suppose I don't really have a point to this post. Just felt like talking a bit I guess.

I keep forgetting to order a few cans of Tre to make sure I get some. I tell you, the snus game is getting complicated. All these new kids coming in with their 50mg nic snus and us oldies being taken out back with the shotgun.

I think it would be a shame is high nic snus became the norm. The difference is obvious. How would a high nic Tre compare to the original? Seems like it would be like Thunder. Too wet, have to spit it out too soon.

Ok. Heres the point of the post. Do you think high nicotine snus is taking over the market? Do you think thats good or bad?

[justinp]

My relatively uneducated guess--

The popularity of high-proof snus in the US probably isn't terribly indicative of the popularity of high-proof snus in the core market in Scandanavia. Most US snusers are coming off of cigarettes, and a high-nic product that overloads their body with nicotine probably does a better job at staving off cravings. Most Swedish users, by contrast, are used to plain ol' snus. Just like you don't see cigarette smokers in the US chasing the dragon for a bigger and bigger buzz, Swedish snusers are content to stick with the regular-strength product.

Thus, a relative glut of high-strength products, which are sold to the US at a discount. Also, this explains the closure of brands popular on SnusOn, like various N&J variants and Claq Qui, that may have performed less well in the key markets.

My 2cents.

[chadizzy1]

From what I've noticed, people coming from cigarettes to snus go immediately toward high nicotine snus, (myself included when I started), because if they really want to quit smoking, my best guess is they want something that is going to hit them with so much nicotine, they won't want to smoke.

But what people don't understand at first (again, myself included when I started), is that snus is a much better nicotine delivery system than cigarettes, and once your body adjusts, you can do just fine on regular portion snus. It's about the adjustment though.

I like sterks, and strong portions from time to time. But when I chain snused them, I found I got dizzy, headaches, etc...because I was constantly using strong portion snus when I didn't have to. Now, I use regular portions all the time with an occasional sterk and I do just fine. But I think that's something new people do, go immediately to sterks.

I don't think they'll take over the market. I forsee them doing well, because newbies gravitate towards them, and then eventually all seem to switch to regulars, and of course there are people who naturally prefer strong portions, so I see them doing well, but not taking over what market share regular portions have. I think last chart I checked from one company said something to the effect of 60/40 or 70/30 regular/sterk sales. But I'll check again tonight and post something more accurate with a percentage.

[WickedKitchen]

I think that I use about 15% sterks lately.

For years I didn't touch them because I knew I didn't need MORE nicotine, at least not more than I needed the oral fixation. Snus also lasts way longer than dip IMO. Maybe not in the nic department, but certainly in the smoothness and continuity of flavor. Just like anything else with my addictive personality, they're easy to get used to.

There's probably enough people on here that have snused for a while, perhaps a year or more. What percentage do you use, if any? And would you be fine without them?

[TBD]

I've been snussing for close to 2 years now. I use 1 extra sterk every morning, beyond that I'm fully in the 80% regular/20% sterk crowd. I think my sterk use is more the flavors than the nicotine.

[lxskllr]

There's probably enough people on here that have snused for a while, perhaps a year or more. What percentage do you use, if any? And would you be fine without them?

I don't see any value in starks, and it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they left for good. Every time a new stark gets released, it's a snus I know I won't use. I'd rather have a white portion than a stark lös. One small exception Skruf stark lös. I like the flavor, but I'd like it even better if it were standard strength.

[snusjus]

My mainstay snus for the past several months have been Grovsnus Original portions, 02, and GES Los. To me, 02 and Grovsnus Original deliver the same amount of nicotine, since 02 has a much lower moisture content. I wouldn't try 01 since the amount of nicotine delivered would be far less than a regular strength Original portion.

GES Los is my drinking snus. I usually make a 2 gram prilla, which equals out to 26mg of nicotine. This hinders any desire for a cigarette.

I think strong snus is most popular in Norway and America. Like others were saying, most Swedes start with snus and never graduate to cigarette smoking. In Norway, however, a large percentage of the population smokes cigarettes, so strong and extra strong products have a higher demand. The scenario in America is exactly the same.

[chadizzy1]

To continue further into what I said above, the current market (this is an average of several producers websales only, not store results) is 30% sterk/ekstra sterk, 4% mini portions, and 66% regular portions.

[Liandri]

The only point I see in sterks is for those in other countries were smoking ban is preventing them from cigarettes and regulars aren't enough to fully switch over. Its a market and private company after all SM isn't doing it because they care about your lungs they're doing it because they see ALOT of money in surrounding countries.

But I really do like Grovsnus Black. But there hasn't been a Grov I didn't love.

BRING BACK GROV MAXI

[chadizzy1]

But there hasn't been a Grov I didn't love.

BRING BACK GROV MAXI

I've heard alot about Grov, alot of people like it. I tried it a while back, and after a few portions gave up on it, but it's one of the ones I'm revisiting this coming week, along with Kronan and Tre Ankare.

[MojoQuestor]

I've been snussing for close to 2 years now. I use 1 extra sterk every morning, beyond that I'm fully in the 80% regular/20% sterk crowd. I think my sterk use is more the flavors than the nicotine.

FWIW, since I'm so sad that i've tracked my usage every day since the 3rd of this month, I can say that I have used a little over 18% sterks or ekstra sterks: 16 sterk and 37 ES (mostly General ESP and ESL), and 237 "just plain snus", for a total of 290 pieces, a little over 13 portions or prillas a day. So there's a 22-day snapshot, anyway.

Like I said, sad.

Anyway, love me sterks, when I'm in the mood.

[LaZeR]

Still pretty much stuck on sterks and ES's since switching from dipping Copenhagen for 30yrs to Snus aprox Oct 2009. I'm sure its the nicotine to a point but honestly I feel I crave the stronger flavor in sterks thus far. I am going to gradually try to at least balance out my usage a bit more in the coming weeks. Right now I'm about 75% Sterks / 25% Regulars. Aiming for more of a 50/50 but this is going to be tough as I'm getting really attached to Thunder Berry.

[daruckis]

There's probably enough people on here that have snused for a while, perhaps a year or more. What percentage do you use, if any? And would you be fine without them?

I don't see any value in starks, and it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they left for good. Every time a new stark gets released, it's a snus I know I won't use. I'd rather have a white portion than a stark lös. One small exception Skruf stark lös. I like the flavor, but I'd like it even better if it were standard strength.

+1

ive begun dabbling here and there in starks, not really anything over 12 mg, usually 11, but i still am just not into it. for a second i though i liked general es los but its just too much for me. but yeah i think id rather have a white portion too, and i really hate white portions.

[skruf_mcgruff]

I intentionally haven't even tried anything over 11 mg because I know it doesn't take too long before that will lead to no longer feeling a mini, or getting a buzz from a regular portion. I was never a smoker so personally I am confused when I see posts by other non smokers or non addicts who want to buy a roll of sterks just for the hell of it.

My policy on tobacco is pretty similar to mine on alcohol, only when you need it or can't remember the last time you used it. And if you need it every day, you're missing something. Just my own opinion though I respect people using drugs and products of all sorts in their own ways.

[MelangeMan]

Kinda interesting that smokers tend to go for high nic snus. Even regular portions are much higher than a cig, no? Used to be you'd see people talking about how a can of mocha pome saved them from a lifetime of smoking.