breaking all the Snus rules...am I doomed to fail?

[gambino]

First off sorry if this is in the wrong forum.
Snus n00b here, on and off usa diphead for 20yrs...been fascinated with snus and it's tradition since i first noticed it a couple yrs ago.
I'm disgusted with dip and quit some time ago...8/10 dips i'd take a day i just didn't enjoy and did outta habit.
But those 2-3 dips a day i did enjoy i miss dearly
I work outdoors in the Forestry business and a pinch of tobacco does wonders for passing the time...so i've decided to give snus a try.
but, i have zero intention of doing it the way it's perscribed (sorry purists)...putting it in your upper lip? Not gonna do it, not even gonna try...had costly dental work done and not looking to mess it up.
i understand that lower lipping it may make me salivate more, but i'm not worried about that...disgusting as it is, i enjoyed a good tobacco spit and my job is outdoorsy so i can spit freely.
and the tool thingie, also not gonna do it, not even gonna attempt it...i figure yrs of dipping fine cut gotta help my packing skills...couldn't i just "hillbilly pinch" it and pack it like that, without making a big production of it (gotta be able to do it on the fly and geared up for work...can't spend 5 minutes making a sweet prilla).
So with that said, I ordered:
•Roda Lacket, Loose - 1 pcs.
•Skruf Stark, Loose - 1 pcs.
•Offroad Wintergreen, Loose - 1 pcs.
•General, Loose - 1 pcs.
•General Ekstra Sterk, Loose - 1 pcs.
•Ettan, Loose - 1 pcs

Fully intending to use the above just like american dip.
Yea I know, I'm an uncultured redneck American...but this is how
I enjoy my tobacco...if it doesn't workout like i want it to (like dip at least in the sense i can pinch and run with it) then i just won't use tobacco and will return to a boring nicotine free life
Am I doomed to fail, and what do you see happening with my experiment?
Thanks

[LaZeR]

Welcome and you have a fine plan there. No rules in how you take snus. To each is own, do what works. Other's on here hillbilly and enjoy just fine. :wink:

Ex Copenhagen dipper here (had 30years in that). I've mainly stuck to portions and learned the upper lipping but in my case part of my battle was to do away with the spitting so this worked out fine. Starting to take a liking to loose/lös but just sorta tip towing with that (long story...).

But anyhoo, enjoy Snus! Your way is the right way - Always.

[Cskruf]

As a former dipper, I wholeheartedly share your sentiments. Unfortunately, "snus protocol" exists for a reason; the main one being that snus has a very fine cut.
If you try to take a pinch of un-baked loose snus and lip it like you would a pinch of dip, you're just going to have a mouth full of what amounts to tobacco silt in about three minutes flat. If you want to put something in the bottom, you're at least going to have to bake it. I've found my prillas hold better in the bottom if I wet them a little while I'm making them.

Alternatively, you could use a portion and put it in the bottom, but if you work in forestry and your buddies dip; they'll probably never let you hear the end of it if they see you throwing in a "pouch".

Good luck.

[tom502]

I think it might hold well in the front. I've dipped dry scotch snuff in the front. I've been wanting to try snus in the lower, I have an unopened can of loose in the freezer, but haven't gotten to it.

[gambino]

As a former dipper, I wholeheartedly share your sentiments. Unfortunately, "snus protocol" exists for a reason; the main one being that snus has a very fine cut.
If you try to take a pinch of un-baked loose snus and lip it like you would a pinch of dip, you're just going to have a mouth full of what amounts to tobacco silt in about three minutes flat. If you want to put something in the bottom, you're at least going to have to bake it. I've found my prillas hold better in the bottom if I wet them a little while I'm making them.

Alternatively, you could use a portion and put it in the bottom, but if you work in forestry and your buddies dip; they'll probably never let you hear the end of it if they see you throwing in a "pouch".

Good luck.

More specifically I work in Fire and Copenhagen is standard issue for most of my coworkers.
using that tool thingie, using a fancy pouch w/lid trashcan, spending ten minutes making a prilla...not gonna happen.
*sigh* i was afraid of your first paragraph...these rules are in place for a reason. Still gonna give it a try...I kinda baked regular fine cut dip in a smiliar fashion to the snus hillbilly style...played with it in the can molding it.
I'm gonna attempt that style with my order and hope for the best i want to be a snusser...but only if it works for me.

[gambino]

Hey out of my purchase which brand do you think I will have the most
sucess with, if any?

[LaZeR]

Hey out of my purchase which brand do you think I will have the most
sucess with, if any?

Personally I haven't tried em all as listed in lös form yet but the Skruf Stark is good and seems to have better holding power.

Ettan is awesome flavor wise but I think you might have some issue with that in the lower along with the Roda. Try it though. Might just be a matter in placement and adjusting the size of the pinch or pris.

[gambino]

Personally I haven't tried em all as listed in lös form yet but the Skruf Stark is good and seems to have better holding power.

Ettan is awesome flavor wise but I think you might have some issue with that in the lower along with the Roda. Try it though. Might just be a matter in placement and adjusting the size of the pinch or pris.

Seems like the American dipper get's the shaft quality wise.
Why don't some of these quality brands such as Ettan cater to the american market? Ettan Long Cut could be a crazy success.
Seems like a no brainer million (billion?) dollar idea.

[LaZeR]

Ettan Long Cut could be a crazy success.

I can agree with that. I've finally tried Ettan lös and it is wonderful except I'm having a hell of a time with it sliding on me. Give this a cut grade similiar to copenhagen and I could actually see me making this my sole snus.

[tom502]

Actually, with a little practice, one can grab a pinch of loose snus, mash it in a shape, and stick it in the lip(top or bottom) with the same speed and ease as dip. I think.

[gambino]

Actually, with a little practice, one can grab a pinch of loose snus, mash it in a shape, and stick it in the lip(top or bottom) with the same speed and ease as dip. I think.

lol that's what i'm banking on

[LHB]

I lower lip mine sometimes. I actually enjoy the slightly increased salivation sometimes; it enables you to taste the snuss more easily. The basic rule I go by is: the finer the snuss, the more difficult it is to lower lip it. So coarse snusses like Grov and Skruf work best for me when lower lipping, Ettan, General and Roda, not as well.

[chadizzy1]

Try Prima Fint, it's the only one I can handbake. It has a good texture, and will easily stay together, I'd imagine even in the lower lip.

[daruckis]

ok heres my input:

now ive never dipped, so i cant compare the 2, but yeah im thinking lower lipping the above mentioned snus will surely result in snus silt all over your entire mouth. ive lower lipped several times, and the one i have the most success with is kardus, which is expensive as hell and of limited availability. and even with that, you get a lot floating around in your mouth (but i dont have the dipper skills you probably possess) i do think that with a lot of those snus, it would be more advantageous to top lip it, due simply to the fact that you will lose a LARGE portion of your pris with every spit. in about 5 spits, probably half of it or more will be gone. thus you also arent getting as much nicotine. all of that aside, your first order looks like a solid one. i would also recommend grov, phantom brown, and gotland gul. also, an icetool really takes only a couple seconds, and the same if youve gotten your handbaking technique down. it doesnt have to be perfect, just scoop, quickly pinch it, mold slightly, throw it in.

good luck and godspeed, amigo.

[gambino]

ok heres my input:

now ive never dipped, so i cant compare the 2, but yeah im thinking lower lipping the above mentioned snus will surely result in snus silt all over your entire mouth. ive lower lipped several times, and the one i have the most success with is kardus, which is expensive as hell and of limited availability. and even with that, you get a lot floating around in your mouth (but i dont have the dipper skills you probably possess) i do think that with a lot of those snus, it would be more advantageous to top lip it, due simply to the fact that you will lose a LARGE portion of your pris with every spit. in about 5 spits, probably half of it or more will be gone. thus you also arent getting as much nicotine. all of that aside, your first order looks like a solid one. i would also recommend grov, phantom brown, and gotland gul. also, an icetool really takes only a couple seconds, and the same if youve gotten your handbaking technique down. it doesnt have to be perfect, just scoop, quickly pinch it, mold slightly, throw it in.

good luck and godspeed, amigo.

i'm originally from gaylord michigan.
but anyway i'm gonna try the handbake on the fly like i did with dip and report back.
looking like it will be a failure
the upper lip thing...i had expensive implants put in place up top...not really wanting to recede/stain/fug up that area, considering it cost 5k out of pocket.
so it's either lower lipping or nothing (haven't dipped in over a yr so i'll have to deal with it).