PACT: The push is still on

[MrAbstracto]

meh, im not worried. Its already illegal to get montecristo and Romeo y Julieta but that didnt stop me. Ive got a roll of each in the freezer :P

[texasmade]

meh, im not worried. Its already illegal to get montecristo and Romeo y Julieta but that didnt stop me. Ive got a roll of each in the freezer :P

i mean i remember snusdog mentioning a safe house...if anything the companies can sell kits or flavors of their brands to the US customers for 4 bucks a pop each bottle enough to make one bathc, with one batch equaling to four cans, people could grow their own and then for the people that cant they can buy it from the members on here that can....worst case scenario

[Snusmun]

Johnathon, how much is the sales tax per can if I order from you?

I just placed an order with him yesterday and the tax was 9.5%, or about 30 cents/can. Not too bad really.

[BadAxe]

Yep, its all about the taxes, but they have to throw in "prevent the youth from tobacco" to get all the "sheep" (most citizens of the US) to approve.

If anyone wants to know what gov't (all gov't, not just the US) are really about check out the documentary Esoteric Agenda.

[LHB]

My politics has always been pretty radical, but anti tobacco and anti drug zealotry really throw me into overdrive. Since those pathologies are at an all time high, I would say that at 51 I'm more politically radical than ever. The notion of being a "law abiding citizen" just strikes me as a joke at this point. The law is an ass, as Mr. Bumble said.

[Asquar]

My politics has always been pretty radical, but anti tobacco and anti drug zealotry really throw me into overdrive.

My sentiments as well.

If civilization survives, the historical chapter about The War on Drugs will be perceived as one of the great humanitarian crimes of all time. How many hundreds of thousands, even millions of people have been killed, imprisoned or otherwise had their lives ruined— either directly or indirectly— because of The Empire's tyrannical oppression of its own citizens in this regard?

None of this is about snusing or smoking. It's about control.

[Tristik]

yeah but a tin is going to cost 7 dollars, just like smokes and dip.

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Actually, a can of General only costs me $3.20 with tax at the cigar shop I go to in Illinois. I know it's different depending on what state you buy in, but even if they added another dollar or dollar 50 on that, it'd still be a decent price.

But I'd be mighty pissed at my loss of selection. Not only that, all I can get stateside is General and they don't carry a lot of it at one time either. Add that into the fact the only american sold general I'll buy is the original and it adds up and equals craptastic.
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[Snusmun]

yeah but a tin is going to cost 7 dollars, just like smokes and dip.

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Actually, a can of General only costs me $3.20 with tax at the cigar shop I go to in Illinois. I know it's different depending on what state you buy in, but even if they added another dollar or dollar 50 on that, it'd still be a decent price.
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Well you are very lucky then, because one can already costs $7 where I live. If I could get it for 3.20 I'd be much less concerned. But the loss of selection would still suck.

[TheOneandOnly]

$5.50-$6.50 for a can of General around here.

[scylla]

yeah but a tin is going to cost 7 dollars, just like smokes and dip.

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Actually, a can of General only costs me $3.20 with tax at the cigar shop I go to in Illinois. I know it's different depending on what state you buy in, but even if they added another dollar or dollar 50 on that, it'd still be a decent price.

But I'd be mighty pissed at my loss of selection. Not only that, all I can get stateside is General and they don't carry a lot of it at one time either. Add that into the fact the only american sold general I'll buy is the original and it adds up and equals craptastic.
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Would that be at the Tinder Box in Rockford? I need a local place to score my snus. Just in case.
Look at that. I just used the word "score".... Jesus, I've come full circle.

[fdknuckles]

Look,
I know we all want to bitch about this, but if YOU dont contact YOUR Senators about this,.... then bitching is all it is. Email, or write your Senator today. Make them think twice.

[CoderGuy]

My sentiments as well.

If civilization survives, the historical chapter about The War on Drugs will be perceived as one of the great humanitarian crimes of all time. How many hundreds of thousands, even millions of people have been killed, imprisoned or otherwise had their lives ruined— either directly or indirectly— because of The Empire's tyrannical oppression of its own citizens in this regard?

None of this is about snusing or smoking. It's about control.

<RANT>
I have been saying this for years, about the anti's. Just like any other fanatical organization they will not be satisfied once their agenda has been met, there will be a next step. With the anti-tobacco's they have already started their push on 3rd hand smoke (the cig smell on cloths, etc.). They will not be mildly satisfied until there is no more tobacco, and then they will start on their next item (you know they won't just stop and say, "There, the children are safe, we can go home now"). They don't care about the children, they care about exerting their will on others (there are so many larger threats to children these days, if they actually were doing this "for the children" tobacco would be like #322 on the list).

Look,
I know we all want to bitch about this, but if YOU dont contact YOUR Senators about this,.... then bitching is all it is. Email, or write your Senator today. Make them think twice.

The problem for Senators or Congressmen is if they ignore these idiots it makes it look like they don't care "about the children" so they automatically side with them. So writing to them is a waste of time. 75% of their constituents are non-smokers (or say they are) and also "care about the children", unlike us smokers who obviously don't. That's why all anti-tobacco/drug laws pass so easily.
</RANT>

Sorry, I always get spun up when this topic comes up.

CG

[lxskllr]

My sentiments as well.

If civilization survives, the historical chapter about The War on Drugs will be perceived as one of the great humanitarian crimes of all time. How many hundreds of thousands, even millions of people have been killed, imprisoned or otherwise had their lives ruined— either directly or indirectly— because of The Empire's tyrannical oppression of its own citizens in this regard?

None of this is about snusing or smoking. It's about control.

<RANT>
I have been saying this for years, about the anti's. Just like any other fanatical organization they will not be satisfied once their agenda has been met, there will be a next step. With the anti-tobacco's they have already started their push on 3rd hand smoke (the cig smell on cloths, etc.). They will not be mildly satisfied until there is no more tobacco, and then they will start on their next item (you know they won't just stop and say, "There, the children are safe, we can go home now"). They don't care about the children, they care about exerting their will on others (there are so many larger threats to children these days, if they actually were doing this "for the children" tobacco would be like #322 on the list).

Look,
I know we all want to bitch about this, but if YOU dont contact YOUR Senators about this,.... then bitching is all it is. Email, or write your Senator today. Make them think twice.

The problem for Senators or Congressmen is if they ignore these idiots it makes it look like they don't care "about the children" so they automatically side with them. So writing to them is a waste of time. 75% of their constituents are non-smokers (or say they are) and also "care about the children", unlike us smokers who obviously don't. That's why all anti-tobacco/drug laws pass so easily.
</RANT>

Sorry, I always get spun up when this topic comes up.

CG

That's a pretty good analysis. Unfortunately, I agree :^/

[Big L]

I agree 100 percent too, unfortunately. It's all about control, these people will not be happy until we have a nanny state, where they can control everything we do. They won't stop at tobacco, they will control everything "for our own good"I don't like taxes, but if money's the issue, I can understand. But I think it's more about control. The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves.

Like the song says, "beware the savage jaw, of 1984"

[GoVegan]

I agree 100 percent too, unfortunately. It's all about control, these people will not be happy until we have a nanny state, where they can control everything we do. They won't stop at tobacco, they will control everything "for our own good"I don't like taxes, but if money's the issue, I can understand. But I think it's more about control. The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves.

Like the song says, "beware the savage jaw, of 1984"

I keep hearing about a sin tax they are trying to impose on soft drinks at least in California. It never ends. I honestly wouldn't mind PACT if I knew I could go to my local tobacco store and pick up a can of whatever I want for $3 or $4 bucks but that wont be the case. It will be more like $7-$10 for a can of whatever they are willing to sell or get. My attitude on this issue is that I will stock up while I can and when I run out, I run out. I picked up this little habit to stop smoking anyway. I do feel sorry for the people who can't stop smoking and will never have the chance to try snus.