PACT ACT IS NOT DEAD......

[lxskllr]

Good idea Spirit - we can all make pilgrimages to snus retailers on the east coast. I live in California so it will probably be yearly instead of quarterly. Getsnus will become like another Graceland for snus users!

It's a great excuse for a yearly Snus/Snuff convention, if nothing else. 8)

Bethlehem has some great free music festivals a few times per year. That's a longish bike ride from Allentown, where Northerner's US warehouse is. We could make a big event out of it :^)

[snupy]

This is why growing in coco is as good as it gets IMO. Coco has nothing but what you put into it. So if you are using certified organic fertilizers and "flushing" often to maintain ph and only using pestisides like neem if you must...I would think TSNA would not be a problem.

Coco fiber has no effect whatsoever on TSNA levels of tobacco:

While TSNAs exist in low concentrations in green tobacco, --->it is the process of fermenting and curing tobacco that produces high levels of TSNAs in smokeless tobacco as well as tobacco smoke.<---.

Snus isn't fermented or flue or fire cured and is instead pasteurized, which leaves very low TSNA levels.

[Satellite]

If it has to go back through the house, why don't we use that time to write our Congressmen in the House and tell them that we don't support this act? I bet if they get enough complaints about the bill from their constituants it might change their minds.
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

[snupy]

If it has to go back through the house, why don't we use that time to write our Congressmen in the House and tell them that we don't support this act? I bet if they get enough complaints about the bill from their constituants it might change their minds.
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

No it won't. The states and the Fed are all operating at severe deficits. PACT insures tax revenue to cover those deficits. End of story.

[clubsnus]

Online retailers

As an online retailer of snus, we are already in the works with a contingency plan to keep the business going.

We will have to change our carrier for delivery service, which could change the cost of shipping to increase. We are not too sure just yet. Also you will be required to pay the state and local taxes on your snus you purchase, and again will increase the cost of the snus.

Other than that there is not going to be much changing. Oh well you will be required to have some sort of age verification upon delivery.

So I will keep everyone informed as we all learn more about this new law. Which keep in mind has not passed. Now I assume it will and so because of that we are preparing for this. Order all you can now and I will let you know as soon as we are notified of the changes.

[tom502]

Well, for what it's worth, I sent a message to my congressman from his website. Who knows, but what the heck:

Dear sir,
I am a 42 year old American male, and veteran of the Navy. I am writing today to urge you to please oppose the PACT act. This is a bad act, and it will only cause 3 things, more unemployment, more crime, and more smokers. As well as further impoverish the Native American tribes. I am a user of legal smokeless tobacco, specifically, imported Scandinavian snus, and nasal snuff. I have quit smoking using these items, which have long been proven to be 95% or more less harmful than cigarettes. The problem with this act, is it will inhibit people like myself, if it seeks to ban the sale and delivery of imported tobacco products. Please consider this. This act is NOT "for the children", children do not buy their cigs online, usually their parents get them for them. And the legitimate snus and snuff online sellers do not fund terrorism. This act seems to me a ploy of Big US Tobacco trying to stop any competition, and force more people to smoke local cigarettes, it's all about money. Please consider the health of your people who have quit smoking through the use of Scandinavian snus, and imported nasal snuff, and please do not let us become unable to legally use these near harmless products. Thanks you.

[ladysnus]

[quote="snupy"]

This is why growing in coco is as good as it gets IMO. Coco has nothing but what you put into it. So if you are using certified organic fertilizers and "flushing" often to maintain ph and only using pestisides like neem if you must...I would think TSNA would not be a problem.

Coco fiber has no effect whatsoever on TSNA levels of tobacco:

While TSNAs exist in low concentrations in green tobacco, --->it is the process of fermenting and curing tobacco that produces high levels of TSNAs in smokeless tobacco as well as tobacco smoke.<---.

Snus isn't fermented or flue or fire cured and is instead pasteurized, which leaves very low TSNA levels.[/quote

I understand snus is pasteurized which lowers the TNSAs.
Anything edible,smokable, chewable is only as good as the soil in which it is grown. And like one guy said on here, "tobacco is a magnet". So yes, growing in Coco would keep you at a lower TSNA level than that of soil and you would also have an organic product,,,using the right ferts ofcourse.

[ladysnus]

Search "Canna" growing products. You can also watch some vids of their products on utube. Europeans are so far ahead of us, it's not even funny.

[snupy]

Anything edible,smokable, chewable is only as good as the soil in which it is grown.

TSNA levels have nothing whatsoever to do with your growing medium. TSNA levels are depending on the curing method.

So yes, growing in Coco would keep you at a lower TSNA level than that of soil

How? TSNA stand for tobacco SPECIFIC nitrosamines. In other words, they are nitrosamines SPECIFIC to tobacco, not nitrosamines SPECIFIC to growing medium. Or has research been done to show the growing medium can raise or lower TSNA levels?

[Snusmun]

It looks like it's going through to me.

Sadly I think you're right. There could still be minor tweaks, but in the end this is going to pass, and we'll be stuck paying all the taxes. The only small concern is the policies of the shipping companies like UPS and FedEx, since USPS shipment will be illegal. I assume there won't be a problem here, but it may end up costing us more.

The federal tax looks like $1.51 per pound for snuff. One roll of los is about a pound. (thank god it's not $25 per pound (yet) like RYO tobacco, that is nuts) State taxes are where some people will get screwed...most states charge a % of wholesale cost, like 41% in California or 90% in Massachusetts. Some states have a surcharge per ounce (one tin of portions is about an ounce) like $1.78 in Oregon.....ouch. Then any local taxes, like sales tax for me is about 10%. Luckily no sales tax in Oregon (taxes are different for "snuff" and "chewing tobacco" also, but I think typically most states and the fed will consider snus as "snuff".)

Add it all up and a $30 roll of los will cost me in California about $40, plus any increase in shipping charges. That same roll will cost cj in Oregon about $60. So obviously, some people are going to really get screwed by this depending on where you live.

I just ordered four rolls, and will be ordering more!

Here's the tax stuff:

http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/resea...s/pdf/0169.pdf

http://www.ttb.gov/main_pages/schip-summary.shtml

(just realized you already posted these links lxskllr...sorry for the repeat)

There is no state tax for smokeless tobacco in Pennsylvania.....explains why getsnus and northerner ship from PA....

[Snusmun]

Or has research been done to show the growing medium can raise or lower TSNA levels?

According to this research, fertilizer had little impact on TSNA concentration. You could then infer that the growing medium has little impact.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf00126a015

Doesn't mean the growing medium has no effect on the overall quality of the tobacco. Heavy metals definitely are an issue. I myself would prefer to grow in as pure a medium as possible.

[snupy]

State taxes are where some people will get screwed...most states charge a % of wholesale cost, like 41% in California or 90% in Massachusetts.

It's 12.8% of wholesale in my state, but I've no motivation to play along with this theft, which is why I am growing my own. It's not as if snus is difficult to make either.

[ladysnus]

State taxes are where some people will get screwed...most states charge a % of wholesale cost, like 41% in California or 90% in Massachusetts.

It's 12.8% of wholesale in my state, but I've no motivation to play along with this theft, which is why I am growing my own. It's not as if snus is difficult to make either.

I think it sounds like a fun hobby,but looking at the recipes yields,,,that would not keep me in snus for very long. I couldn't make it/grow it fast enough with my oven running for days on end. I like my Swedish snus and will gladly stick to that :wink:

[GoVegan]

Re: Online retailers

As an online retailer of snus, we are already in the works with a contingency plan to keep the business going.

We will have to change our carrier for delivery service, which could change the cost of shipping to increase. We are not too sure just yet. Also you will be required to pay the state and local taxes on your snus you purchase, and again will increase the cost of the snus.

Other than that there is not going to be much changing. Oh well you will be required to have some sort of age verification upon delivery.

So I will keep everyone informed as we all learn more about this new law. Which keep in mind has not passed. Now I assume it will and so because of that we are preparing for this. Order all you can now and I will let you know as soon as we are notified of the changes.

Thanks for the update clubsnus. It's a bit bittersweet but I do get the impression from your comment that the retailers have been trying to prepare for this.

[ladysnus]

Re: Online retailers

As an online retailer of snus, we are already in the works with a contingency plan to keep the business going.

We will have to change our carrier for delivery service, which could change the cost of shipping to increase. We are not too sure just yet. Also you will be required to pay the state and local taxes on your snus you purchase, and again will increase the cost of the snus.

Other than that there is not going to be much changing. Oh well you will be required to have some sort of age verification upon delivery.

So I will keep everyone informed as we all learn more about this new law. Which keep in mind has not passed. Now I assume it will and so because of that we are preparing for this. Order all you can now and I will let you know as soon as we are notified of the changes.

Thanks for the update clubsnus. It's a bit bittersweet but I do get the impression from your comment that the retailers have been trying to prepare for this.

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