Here it comes...Marlboro Snus goes national this month

[Owens187]

It's a conspiracy to convince people that snus is no good so they don't discover delicious real snus.

Youre more right about that than you may think......

[BadAxe]

So my question is this. There is no doubt that our snus is indeed addictive correct? I mean, some people can quit snus was easier than cigs, but as some have mentioned, they can not. I ask this for a reason.

As American cig companies turn to snus as a viable product, why do they not look to where it is most popular (Sweden) and produce it like them? Why do they have to make this sugar infused no nicotine shit? I understnad they may think Americans tastes are different, but if they would research they would see that the Americans that ARE snusing are using swedish snus.

So why make crap, when if they do it correctly, they would have customers, and addicted customers like they seek with cig smokers.

I just don't get why they make crap for us in the US, when they see how it can be done properly.

[ville123]

I tried the rich flavour. It tastes like the worst thing i've ever tasted. I almost threw up after 15 seconds.

[Bluesteak]

Its snus like this that makes people never want to try the real stuff.

[Darwin]

Agree. Whereas Camel has at least been useful in raising awareness of real snus this Marlboro dreck might well make people flee in terror from the mere mention of the word snus.

[RedMacGregor]

i've had it... "Rich" i think was the flavor... not horrible

[Tristik]

It's a conspiracy to convince people that snus is no good so they don't discover delicious real snus.

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I don't think I'd put it past them. I can't see how this would have come out otherwise. There is no way in hell they did product testing on this and people were like "Hey, that stuff is pretty good!". All tastes are different, and I'm sure a handful will not mind it or even like it, but not a majority of anything.
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[knucklesnus]

I would not buy the rubbish. Ever wonder what's in it? Arsenic? Ammonia? Who knows.

[tom502]

I'll buy the Rich and Mild, just to say I tried it. But I don't expect it to be good, and with only 6 portions, it seems a rip off at that.

[Snusdog]

So my question is this. There is no doubt that our snus is indeed addictive correct? I mean, some people can quit snus was easier than cigs, but as some have mentioned, they can not. I ask this for a reason.

As American cig companies turn to snus as a viable product, why do they not look to where it is most popular (Sweden) and produce it like them? Why do they have to make this sugar infused no nicotine shit? I understnad they may think Americans tastes are different, but if they would research they would see that the Americans that ARE snusing are using swedish snus.

So why make crap, when if they do it correctly, they would have customers, and addicted customers like they seek with cig smokers.

I just don't get why they make crap for us in the US, when they see how it can be done properly.

BA consider the following:

Let’s say you made big v-8 cars. You had the corner of the market. Every one who drove a car drove a v-8 you made.

Why would you want to start producing smaller v-4 cars? You will have to go to countless costs to retool your production facilities. You will have to spend countless dollars to “create an image” for your product. You will have to spend millions developing your supply sources for the parts necessary for your new product (i.e for the new blends of tobacco necessary for your product in the volume that will now be required).

For what?

You will never regain your current market share (women especially think v-4 cars are for toothless rednecks). In other words, you will spend millions in order to be assured of loosing millions.

Best keep the myth going that v-4s are no better for ecological health than v-8s, best make sure that foreign competition is kept out, best make sure that you control the information that is disseminated (Just look at who sponsored PACT and how it was presented to the public)

THE LAST THING THAT AMERICAN TOBACCO WANTS IS A SAFE ALTERNATIVE TO CIGERETTS or WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE IT

Hope this helps

dog 8)

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Edit: as a side: in the above analogy about big cars- that is exactly what happened to the US auto makers. They did not want to retool. However, the problem was that the US government did not back the auto makers. Instead they let Japanese economy cars flood the market. It almost killed the US auto makers and to some degree they never really recovered.

In my opinion that will go down in history as one of the most significant events in US history (right up there with the Revolutionary and Civil war) in that it establishes an epochal shift in the principals by which our entire legislative process is directed and interpreted. It is the moment that American politics stopped being shaped by big American business and began to be shaped by big international business.

[ladysnus]

San Diego got Camel SNUS a year ago and now this garbage has arrived.
It seems both products hit San Diego last and that's a good thing
I tried it a year ago in Dallas and to me it tasted like a ground up marlboro red with some sugar on top for good measure.....that's the last thing I desire in a snus. This stuff won't drive people to snus like Camel did. And the packaging sux

[snupy]

I almost threw up after 15 seconds.

That's exactly why I REFUSE to buy it. I saw it here in a store a week ago. I forget the price, but did note it only had a few pieces in it. Given the taste of Camel, I have NO desire whatsoever to waste my money on this.

[lxskllr]

I'd try it for $1 or less, but I'm not really interested.

[BadAxe]

So my question is this. There is no doubt that our snus is indeed addictive correct? I mean, some people can quit snus was easier than cigs, but as some have mentioned, they can not. I ask this for a reason.

As American cig companies turn to snus as a viable product, why do they not look to where it is most popular (Sweden) and produce it like them? Why do they have to make this sugar infused no nicotine shit? I understnad they may think Americans tastes are different, but if they would research they would see that the Americans that ARE snusing are using swedish snus.

So why make crap, when if they do it correctly, they would have customers, and addicted customers like they seek with cig smokers.

I just don't get why they make crap for us in the US, when they see how it can be done properly.

BA consider the following:

Let’s say you made big v-8 cars. You had the corner of the market. Every one who drove a car drove a v-8 you made.

Why would you want to start producing smaller v-4 cars? You will have to go to countless costs to retool your production facilities. You will have to spend countless dollars to “create an image” for your product. You will have to spend millions developing your supply sources for the parts necessary for your new product (i.e for the new blends of tobacco necessary for your product in the volume that will now be required).

For what?

You will never regain your current market share (women especially think v-4 cars are for toothless rednecks). In other words, you will spend millions in order to be assured of loosing millions.

Best keep the myth going that v-4s are no better for ecological health than v-8s, best make sure that foreign competition is kept out, best make sure that you control the information that is disseminated (Just look at who sponsored PACT and how it was presented to the public)

THE LAST THING THAT AMERICAN TOBACCO WANTS IS A SAFE ALTERNATIVE TO CIGERETTS or WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE IT

Hope this helps

dog 8)

.

Edit: as a side: in the above analogy about big cars- that is exactly what happened to the US auto makers. They did not want to retool. However, the problem was that the US government did not back the auto makers. Instead they let Japanese economy cars flood the market. It almost killed the US auto makers and to some degree they never really recovered.

In my opinion that will go down in history as one of the most significant events in US history (right up there with the Revolutionary and Civil war) in that it establishes an epochal shift in the principals by which our entire legislative process is directed and interpreted. It is the moment that American politics stopped being shaped by big American business and began to be shaped by big international business.

But where I find flaw in that is that snus IS addicting. And Swedish Snus way more so than American Snus. So although they want to keep all of their smoking customers, they ARE in fact seeing dwindling numbers, because of all the rising prices. So since its a fact that they are losing customers, why not produce snus as it should, since it is in fact addicting, and they can keep some of the people that would now be former customers.

[Snusdog]

where I find flaw in that is that snus IS addicting. And Swedish Snus way more so than American Snus. So although they want to keep all of their smoking customers, they ARE in fact seeing dwindling numbers, because of all the rising prices. So since its a fact that they are losing customers, why not produce snus as it should, since it is in fact addicting, and they can keep some of the people that would now be former customers.

I don't know bro. I just know they aren't.

Maybe its the retooling, maybe it's the marketing numbers that say smokeless will always be a comparatively small market. One thing I do know- it’s not because they don't know how and it's not because they don't know what is going on in Sweden.

And it's this intentionality of the whole thing that bothers me and that raises my suspicion.

dog 8)

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