Here it comes...Marlboro Snus goes national this month

[Monkey]

where I find flaw in that is that snus IS addicting. And Swedish Snus way more so than American Snus. So although they want to keep all of their smoking customers, they ARE in fact seeing dwindling numbers, because of all the rising prices. So since its a fact that they are losing customers, why not produce snus as it should, since it is in fact addicting, and they can keep some of the people that would now be former customers.

I don't know bro. I just know they aren't.

Maybe its the retooling, maybe it's the marketing numbers that say smokeless will always be a comparatively small market. One thing I do know- it’s not because they don't know how and it's not because they don't know what is going on in Sweden.

And it's this intentionality of the whole thing that bothers me and that raises my suspicion.

dog 8)

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It seems they don't want converts to snus, just smokers who rely on snus in non-smoking situations. You make money from a pack a day smoker, but you make more money from a pack a day smoker that uses a few tins of your brand snus in meetings and at the movies and such. A strategy such as this coupled with a tightening of their labor usage and waste will make their budget or exceed it in the case snus sells well for them and make up for the lower numbers of smokers.

I bet they have a great margin on all of their products (even the ones in the metal tins) and wouldn't be surprised if the tobacco in the snus is a reworked byproduct of cigarette production.

If they did snus the right way, they'd lose their smokers and then have a three tin a week snusser taking the pack a day smoker's place. Unless they charge $15 a tin their bottom line revenue drops. If a tin costs what a pack of smokes does, they have to cut poorer selling brands that don't sell as well, lose buying power and get are forced to pay higher premiums on raw products and downward spiral out of a political and monetary super giant of a company....

Crappy snus is the short term answer to the question of, "How do we thrive in a society that is increasingly anti smoking?"

It's not just about money and power, it's about how much money and power for how long.

Mike

Edit: To clarify the translation of thought to screen.

[Owens187]

It seems they don't want converts to snus, just smokers who rely on snus in non-smoking situations.

DIN DING DING DING DING!!!!

Exactly. :wink:

[teeotee]

I saw these yesterday in our local tobacco outlet, $1.48. I asked if they had any swedish snus yet. They said "No, we've been gettign a lot pf people asking for it though. We did just get some from Marlboro". I said no thanks!!
I MAY give some a try, but then again, that's the cost of half a can of Ettan los.

[lxskllr]

It seems they don't want converts to snus, just smokers who rely on snus in non-smoking situations. You make money from a pack a day smoker, but you make more money from a pack a day smoker that uses a few tins of your brand snus in meetings and at the movies and such. A strategy such as this coupled with a tightening of their labor usage and waste will make their budget or exceed it in the case snus sells well for them and make up for the lower numbers of smokers.

They're small thinkers. Snus may hurt the bottom line in the near term, but cigarettes are a dying industry. They won't have any bottom line at all when they find out no one's smoking, and Swedish Match has a vice like grip on the market. It'll be just like Sweden, except Altria, RJR, and the rest will be squabbling over the 10% Swedish Match doesn't own.

[GoVegan]

It does seem a bit odd that you can now get crappy snus anywhere but you will have to go online to get the good stuff.

[AtreyuKun]

It does seem a bit odd that you can now get crappy snus anywhere but you will have to go online to get the good stuff.

I don't think it's odd at all. This is America. It makes perfect sense to me.

[Experimental Monkey]

It does seem a bit odd that you can now get crappy snus anywhere but you will have to go online to get the good stuff.

I don't think it's odd at all. This is America. It makes perfect sense to me.

Just like you can hear crappy music on any radio station here but for the good stuff you have to buy the CD's, use iTunes, etc.? Every single aspect of the American culture is in the toilet, come to think of it.

[TheOneandOnly]

Bought the spearmint pack of these for the gas station.. the portions are so damn dry, the edges and corners cut your gums up! I spit it out after 2 mins.

[gambino]

meh, most of you sound kinda stuck up about such a trivial matter.
"wahhahah, camel/marloboro snus doesn't taste like grov, wahhaha change my diaper"
lol who cares if it doesn't meet your swedish expectations? i for one am happy to see snus get some stateside press. as more and more people are exposed to these americanized snuses', the less explaining i have to do when i break out a can of real loose.
and the less people smoking=the less people getting cancer=better for society as a whole, even if the brand of snus used isn't trad. swedish snus.
face it, american tastes are different than other places, billion dollar companies like altria and RJ have studied the issue and came to the conclusion that their flavors would appeal moreso than trad. flavorings like bergamont and shitloads of salt.
i'm happy to see snuses' exposure growing with new products and i bet as more people get acquainted with the product, altria/RJ will start releasing more trad. flavors

[lxskllr]

The problem is people don't like American snus. Camel has some level of popularity, but none of the other brands do. Also, American snus generally isn't suitable as a complete substitute for cigarettes. That'll cause people to think that all snus is a low nic novelty that's only good for a couple hours while you're in the movies.

On a personal note, I'm tired of being the trailer trash of the world. Artificial color, artificial flavor, high fat, kiddie flavors... Americans need to be educated on what things should taste like, instead of appealing to the lowest common denominator.

[GENERAL BILLY]

In any large corporation there are always competing interests. There are probably people who work solely on the snus side of the business who want the product to be stronger with more free nicotine and others who work on the cigarette side who want it to be completely useless and people who work for the overall company who try to accommodate both sides and end up with a saccharine sweet useless product. I sure they test the shit out of it.

Think about it, if you were a smoker who had never tried snus before and someone gave you a camel frost and you kept it in for a minute you would say "hey this taste good and I notice I want a cigarette slightly less than I did a minute ago. If you gave them an ettan portion for that first minute they would say ' this taste fishy and it is burning my mouth I don't like it"

It takes more than a minute to realize the quality and value of real snus it only takes a minute to enjoy a piece of candy with some nicotine in it.

I hope they can come up with a product eventually that is viable enough that we can reach a second stage where someone makes a great american product as a smaller niche market.

[Snusify]

It will be a while before I get some of this new marlboro snus, I would have to arrange someone to send some to the UK.

That being said a few of my american friends who have tried it say its not worth bothering with.

[lawofficegirl]

It will be a while before I get some of this new marlboro snus, I would have to arrange someone to send some to the UK.

That being said a few of my american friends who have tried it say its not worth bothering with.

i don't think it is either. it tastes kinda nutty, like pecans or maybe butterscotch i don't remember it being not even remotely as close to camel. i men like crappy. they only carry it in certain stores here and its too expensive for what it is, bad.

[tom502]

I looked for it today at my local Kroger grocery, but didn't see it. Got a can of Grizzly 1900 though, as I had a coupon for $1.00 off, exp 3/31. I wanted to try the "Snuff", but they either didn't have it, or "we" couldn't find it.

[lawofficegirl]

I looked for it today at my local Kroger grocery, but didn't see it. Got a can of Grizzly 1900 though, as I had a coupon for $1.00 off, exp 3/31. I wanted to try the "Snuff", but they either didn't have it, or "we" couldn't find it.

the mapco gas stations is what carry it around here.