Northerner.com will sell in USA but will follow the Pact Act

[tom502]

MrSnuff and NicotineRush are now staying in business, but relocating to the UK.

[LaZeR]

Re: Northerner.com will sell in USA but will follow the Pact

The numbers of brands we will be able to offer will decrese due to the new FDA requirements. We will continue to offer all brands from Swedish Match, Skruf, V2 and some from Gotlandssnus and TillCe. We will not be able to offer any brands from the other suppliers - JTI, BAT, Gellivare and Gajane.

I really hope this part is an "April fool's joke" albeit even I can't find much humor in it.

If true, it makes absolutely no sense to me. What part of the current FDA restrictions on smokeless point to this restriction?

Seriously? Please do share asap or I'm going to just say F... it and go back to Copenhagen dip.

[Paladinx]

Please you still can buy tobacco cigarettes online for cheap and get away with taxes and all that other crap. They dont have the resources to track down all shipments etc. They cant even stop illegal drugs from coming into the country.

[bipolarbear1968]

Re: Northerner.com will sell in USA but will follow the Pact

The numbers of brands we will be able to offer will decrese due to the new FDA requirements. We will continue to offer all brands from Swedish Match, Skruf, V2 and some from Gotlandssnus and TillCe. We will not be able to offer any brands from the other suppliers - JTI, BAT, Gellivare and Gajane.

I really hope this part is an "April fool's joke" albeit even I can't find much humor in it.

If true, it makes absolutely no sense to me. What part of the current FDA restrictions on smokeless point to this restriction?

Seriously? Please do share asap or I'm going to just say F... it and go back to Copenhagen dip.

But..but... LaZer, He said we can still get your beloved Skruf.

[LaZeR]

Re: Northerner.com will sell in USA but will follow the Pact

But..but... LaZer, He said we can still get your beloved Skruf.

True. Sorry I was so distressed I missed that part. ops:

But what if the FDA deems "Rose oil" a deviant external candiesh flavour?

[bipolarbear1968]

Re: Northerner.com will sell in USA but will follow the Pact

But..but... LaZer, He said we can still get your beloved Skruf.

True. Sorry I was so distressed I missed that part. ops:

But what if the FDA deems "Rose oil" a deviant external candiesh flavour?

Salt & Pepper version of "Dumb and dumber".

Sorry, ...but it was there ops:

[daruckis]

whoa. without ld or gustavus i will probably end up quitting at the end of my stockpile. i dont dislike a lot of snus. but those are the only ones i find myself wanting to use (as far as portions go). just got a roll of each but now im thinking i could use a few more. for loose i could probably get by on gotland, but again, jti is crucial to my existence.

[stubby2]

Please you still can buy tobacco cigarettes online for cheap and get away with taxes and all that other crap. They dont have the resources to track down all shipments etc. They cant even stop illegal drugs from coming into the country.

That's not going to happen with snus. SM and all the other manufactures and sellers, as in Northerner, have no interest in going black market, and good for them. They're looking at long term legitimate business in the US. There may be a few international sellers that will try and skirt the law, but I'm not going to deal with them. I want my snus and I want it long term. It's that or I'm back to smoking.

Very different situation with no connection to illegal drugs. Let's work to keep it that way.

[rickcharles606]

Please you still can buy tobacco cigarettes online for cheap and get away with taxes and all that other crap. They dont have the resources to track down all shipments etc. They cant even stop illegal drugs from coming into the country.

That's not going to happen with snus. SM and all the other manufactures and sellers, as in Northerner, have no interest in going black market, and good for them. They're looking at long term legitimate business in the US. There may be a few international sellers that will try and skirt the law, but I'm not going to deal with them. I want my snus and I want it long term. It's that or I'm back to smoking.

Very different situation with no connection to illegal drugs. Let's work to keep it that way.

I agree with this assesment. If these manufacturers, retailers ever want to have a part in the growing U.S. retail market, ie...brick and mortar, then the last thing they need to happen is to develop a reputaion as illicit dealers online.

I have to believe that Frank, having run a very successful business for many years, has his bases covered. I'll continue to order from him exclusively, as usual.

[cj]

this must be the change and hope that commie bastard obama promised us got to love it

[LaZeR]

this must be the change and hope that commie bastard obama promised us got to love it

Thank you for saying what I was thinking this way I won't get pounded for bringing it up. :wink:

I owe you a brewski!



/just saying.

[spirit72]

Re: Northerner.com will sell in USA but will follow the Pact

Many of our customers will probably buy from online Swedish retailers that will not follow the Pact Act but we are pretty sure the US custom eventually (3-6 months) will intervene with their sales so that they will have to follow the Pact Act or not sell at all to the US.

What are your thoughts about it? Do you think the US custom will just let snus orders from Sweden passing through - without proper tax and age verified?

That I don't know about. It'll be interesting to see what happens, especially whether smokeless will slide through due to its being a very small part of the market--we all know that the primary target here is cigarettes.

But june 29th is fair enough. I'll be making my Summer order either this month or next.....and, well, maybe I'll have to go ahead and get my Fall order in by that deadline too.

And snuff? Oh yes, Roderick, there will be snuff....... :wink:

[LHB]

I posted this over at snuffhouse.org also:

A few disconnected observations:

1) In all the discussions I've seen here and at snuson.com, I've heard no reference to any online snus or snuff retailers getting the advice of legal counsel. It might be a good idea.

2) If I correctly understand the principle of "judicial review" the law would have to go into effect, and then a legal case argued on the basis if its constitutionality, before a court could declare it unconsitutional. That would take a long time. In the meantime, the law would be in effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review

3) Compliance with the law seems to mean different things, depending on where the retailer is located. People whose businesses are located in other countries who ship products to the U.S. will not be any more engaged in "smuggling" under the new law, than they are engaged in smuggling right now. They are placing a package into their local postal system for delivery elsewhere. I just shipped a package of snuff to Portugal via the U.S. mail. i have to idea how the shipment will be completed, or what Portugal's laws are on the importation of toboacco products. According to the postal manager of my company, I was fully in compliance with U.S. law when I mailed the package.

4) Firms relocating to other countries to avoid compliance with U.S. laws that impose higher costs on business is part of the larger general trend of "globalization" and "outsourcing" in international trade which is resulting in higher real incomes in the form of lower prices for many people, and the availabilty of products that U.S. retailers and manufacturers do not wish to make available to consumers. If other countries have a more "business friendly" environment for tobacco retailers who wish to sell their product in the U.S., I would expect rational, profit maximizing, international entrepreneurs to take full advantage of the opportunity.

[Fury]

MrSnuff and NicotineRush are now staying in business, but relocating to the UK.

April fools joke or being sarcastic? I order from both places

[spirit72]

On second glance:

1)I guess it won't be such a bad thing in Ohio, since the tax on smokeless is only 17% of the wholesale price, as stated here: http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1858.html

2)Looking at the same chart......man, it must really, really SUCK to live in Massachusetts. :shock: