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.......…..yes and apparently VA Tech is for the do it your self lovers :wink:Originally posted by GoVeganWhen it's my time to go, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my uncle did....... Not screaming in terror like his passengersComment
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By the way I didn't see this mentioned any where on the forum. If it was, forgive the redundancy.
PACT was signed into law by the President last Thursday.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:s1147:
Again, I think if our EU merchants will take time to get official word on foreign requirements (or the lack thereof) things will be pretty much Business as usual.
In fact, I am more worried about misinformation than anything in the actual law.When it's my time to go, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my uncle did....... Not screaming in terror like his passengersComment
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Okay, I'm not a lawyer, and even after reading the bill I couldn't get past the legalese to actually understand what I was reading. I'll take your word for it until someone shows differently.
If this plays out getsnus is screwed as they only have a US warehouse. Well... they can play by the PACT act rules but not sure how far that would get them. Being in one of the obscene high tax states that wouldn't be on my go-to order list.
Northerner - don't know what's going on as they have both a US warehouse but also a Swedish warehouse. Do they shut down the US division and just ship international? Likely scenario if this stands as you stated.
Buysnus just keeps on going as is.
I'm not totally convinced USPS might just not say screw you all, its tobacco and we're not going to deliver it and let the courts sort it out. That's the worry I have. I agree the EU venders need to sort this out and clue us in, the faster the better.Comment
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I find it hard to believe that UPS FedEx & DHL would refuse to ship snus/snuff.
Dog, you're the man for finding that stuff. I think it's only a matter of time before the US government gets to our snus from all avenues but for now it sounds safe.
At any rate, I still don't think that it would be terribly difficult to get. After all there's a multi-billion dollar pot industry in America, God only knows how many shady gambling places, a black market where you can get everything from foodstuffs to cars. Where there's a demand there will be a supply...and we're worried about some cheap snus. There are ways to do just about everything w/o paying taxes (some much more risky than others)
I'm starting to agree with this having a snowball effect and maybe we are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
As far as philosophy goes it's pretty much ass-backwards for the government to be doing this anyhow...and we elected them. Huh.Comment
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Hmmm, unless I am missing something, not sure why getsnus or any other American warehouse would be screwed. The only thing getsnus now has to do (to my knowledge) is add state taxes and age verification at checkout, and then at delivery. Other than that, how do the American warehouses have to change?Originally posted by stubby2Comment
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Tobacco mail is a big business overall, and apart from shutting down legit dealers, this will make a bad impact on the USPS.Comment
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Exactly Tom,Originally posted by tom502
Which is another big plus in our favor. The USPS is already hurting for revenues. I would think that they will give up only the bare minimum of business requiredWhen it's my time to go, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my uncle did....... Not screaming in terror like his passengersComment
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Originally posted by stubby2
Mind you I am not saying what will happen…………only what PACT permits to happen. If the Postal service seizes international tobacco shipments or refuses to deliver them it is doing so illegally with no warrant from PACT.
One encouraging thing (I think) is that the Postmaster General is charged with implementing this law in accordance with other laws regarding shipping.
Also the CBO (Congressional Budget Office) official summary of the bill seems to verify my reading of the law. It states:
andS. 1147 would require individuals and businesses that make interstate sales of cigarettes or smokeless tobacco to comply with state tax laws and register with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATFE).
The Summary is important because CBO is assessing the cost of implementation. There is no mention or budgetary provision for international sales from legal venders. Period.The bill also would preempt state, local, and tribal laws regulating the delivery of tobacco products.
The summary is also very specific in its understanding of the Domestic range of this law
You can read the whole thing here in PDF form
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/112xx/doc11258/s1147.pdfWhen it's my time to go, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my uncle did....... Not screaming in terror like his passengersComment
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I think because taxes will be assesed to domestic sales (which can be quite a lot depending on where you live) where as it seems international sales will continue much as they are now- assessed but not collected.Originally posted by BadAxe
Notice then you see no CBO provision for improving or collecting the taxes on international sales.
The result is that getsnus is taxed out of the market. Why would you spend $9 for a can of snus when you can pay $3.40 for it and just wait 3 days longer to get it?
dog 8)
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A few people, who seem to be in the know, say the usps have to deliver shipments from overseas, and I hope that's the case, but I still wonder.Comment
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O I almost forgot....just to brighten up your day....here is the money quote (or the lack of money quote) from the CBO
Tom it might make you smile and put your mind at rest
S. 1147 would prohibit the use of the Postal Service to mail most tobacco products (interstate). This could affect revenue and spending by the Postal Service, depending on how the agency decides to enforce this provision and regulate the exceptions permitted by the bill. The Postal Service attempts to enforce current laws on nonmailable matter but inspects a very small fraction of the 170 billion or so pieces of mail it delivers each year. CBO expects that enacting S. 1147 would not lead to a significant increase in those inspections and thus implementing the bill would not have a significant effect on net Postal Service spending.
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This is the way I see it:
Any tobacco product that doesn't have the appropriate tax stamps will be deemed illegal and contraband.(a) Short Title- This Act may be cited as the ‘Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009’ or ‘PACT Act’.
(b) Findings- Congress finds that--
(1) the sale of illegal cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products significantly reduces Federal, State, and local government revenues....
It's no different than foreign made drugs that are not approved by the FDA, even though they are legal in the country they originate in.
Good luck trying to get around thatComment
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JT,Originally posted by justintempler
Absolutely!!
My point is that PACT adds no further regulations to the already existing requirements for international sales. The new regulations are interstate only.
Thus, if your international shipment was legal last month then it will be legal in 90 days.When it's my time to go, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my uncle did....... Not screaming in terror like his passengersComment
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