Three week delivery - still fresh? what about TSNAs?

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  • auggie
    Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 84

    Three week delivery - still fresh? what about TSNAs?

    Hey guys, it's been a while since I've posted here on SnusOn, but I wanted to drop by and ask a question about a recent delivery SNAFU.

    I had a large order that was held up by UPS. It was mailed out on July 1st, and made its way to Houston very quickly and was delivered by UPS on the 6th or 7th. The only problem was that it was delivered to the wrong address. Three weeks later, UPS finally admitted on the phone that they'd delivered it to the wrong address. Suddenly the tracking information changed from "Signed for by _______, July 6th" to "Package refused at delivery address, July 17th." Then it was over the weekend, and Monday they called and said they'd deliver to my house before 10:30am as a special "Express delivery order." I waited until 11am with still no delivery. I called the local UPS to give them more of my frustration, since I went in to work late after they told me it would be delivered that morning. They put in a Hold on the package, and the next day I made it in after work to get it. Sure enough, the package was relabeled with a special notice to "deliver by 10:30am" the previous morning. Sigh. (Seriously, why the fark didn't they contact the shipper or the recipient if it was refused? And the refusal notice being so long after the delivery was signed for makes me think it actually was in someone's possession for a while and UPS went back and picked it up.)

    Anyhow, that's a long story, but really what I'm interested in is the condition of my snus. It seems to taste... alright. It's certainly not bone dry (maybe a bit drier than most fresh snus deliveries I'm used to), but it may have lost a little bit of its flavor after being out for over three weeks. Still, it doesn't taste horrible, so what I'm really concerned about is TSNA levels and nicotine levels.

    I'm not sure if the UPS warehouse is climate-controlled, so in the worst case scenario, the snus rolls were left out in a hot Texas warehouse almost 3 weeks. How would this affect the carcinogen levels? I know they elevate when the snus is stored hot, but I'm not sure how quickly they would rise, or if they would rise much assuming the warehouse was kept room-temperature.

    Finally, would you guys suggest that I press BuySnus to try to get a refund and/or identical order re-shipped?

    Any help or suggestions?
  • tom502
    Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 8985

    #2
    Personally, I wouldn't worry about it.

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    • Langdell
      Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 255

      #3
      Originally posted by tom502 View Post
      Personally, I wouldn't worry about it.
      +1

      If BuySnus is like most merchants, they will probably rightfully feel that this is a UPS problem, not the seller's fault. If they were to give you a refund/reshipment, I think they'd be (admirably) going above and beyond.

      BTW, if you like General, you can buy it locally at Spec's.

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      • Bdubz
        Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 49

        #4
        I would definitely raise hell with UPS. There is nothing Buysnus did wrong.

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        • lxskllr
          Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 13435

          #5
          Snus has been tested to have insignificant increases in TSNA counts when stored for long periods of time at room temperature. I wouldn't woryy about it. If you're happy with the flavor, and consistency, it's fine.

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          • c.nash
            Banned Users
            • May 2010
            • 3511

            #6
            Nothing is probably wrong with it. lol

            Just relax and enjoy your snus.

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            • spirit72
              Member
              • Apr 2008
              • 1013

              #7
              Don't let these guys fool you---your teeth are going to dissolve, and your hard palate will fall out.







              (but seriously, shouldn't be a problem. Enjoy!)

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              • auggie
                Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 84

                #8
                Thanks for the replies. I know that BuySnus was not in the wrong. Talking to UPS, they said that if I wanted to pursue a new shipment (which they would pay for) that I had to initiate that with BuySnus, and then subsequently UPS would pay BuySnus for the new shipment. BuySnus has always treated me excellently, in fact, they reshipped out of their own pocket an order that (a couple of years ago) got ripped open and was delivered empty to my address - something that their own website and terms say they don't have to do. Sorry if I sounded upset with them, that wasn't at all what I meant.

                Anyhow, if it's good, it's good. I had just heard that they are kept refridgerated to keep TSNA levels down and that as snus ages, it does accumulate more carcinogens.

                I'd be interested to find out how many carcinogens accumulate during 3 weeks of 100degF/40degC and how that differs from 3 weeks at room temp.

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                • EricHill78
                  Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 4253

                  #9
                  That's really good.. Getting it shipped free will give you a great deal on your next order. I see you live in Houston. Too bad not in San Antonio I'd go in on that order lol.. I kid! I would do a large order for more bang for your buck.

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                  • lxskllr
                    Member
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 13435

                    #10
                    Originally posted by auggie View Post
                    I'd be interested to find out how many carcinogens accumulate during 3 weeks of 100degF/40degC and how that differs from 3 weeks at room temp.
                    The levels of tobacco-specific nitrosamines have been shown to increase over time in some types of smokeless tobacco products - particularly in those products that are high in water content.
                    Snus is moist but is heat treated using a process similar to pasteurisation. We have investigated whether the levels of TSNAs increase in snus during storage by analysing four snus brands stored under various conditions:
                    • cold at 4ºC;
                    • 22ºC and 60% relative humidity;
                    • 34ºC and 20% relative humidity; and
                    • 34ºC and 80% relative humidity.

                    Samples were analysed every two weeks for a period up to 24 weeks but the TSNA levels did not increase for any of the storage conditions for all brands presented [ 2 ].

                    http://www.bat-science.com/groupms/s...document&SKN=1

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                    • auggie
                      Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 84

                      #11
                      You're the best, lxskllr.

                      So not only is my snus fine from a carcinogenic standpoint, but I was pretty much wrong about the entire idea that snus ramped up its TSNA levels at all (within a half-year interval).

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