Tobacco free Universities: A new trend.

[tom502]

Yes, but you can still protest.

[GoVegan]

Yes, but you can still protest.

To a point. If you protest too much, congress will either label you as a terrorist or come up with some law like The Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act to curb your efforts. The terrorism link was already introduced in PACT

[Langdell]

I'm for tobacco in all it's forms, and I consider an assault on any of us, an assault on me.

+1

This "tobacco free" policy is utter B.S. As an unrepentant (though reduced, with snus) pipe smoker, I oppose smoking bans, but at least with a smoking ban the proponents have the excuse that a smoker's smoke can invade the space of other people who don't want to be exposed to it. A user of smokeless tobacco is invading nobody else's space. There is simply NO excuse in a FREE society for banning adult individuals from using smokeless tobacco--an otherwise legal product--ANYWHERE. (And when tobacco users roll over and take these kinds of bans without putting up any kind of fuss, that is the first step toward tobacco no longer being a legal product.) BTW, I wonder how many of these namby pamby, hippy dippy academic types who are pushing for tobacco bans are staunchly in favor of legalizing pot. Makes ya think.

Rant over. (For now.)

[dreed2]

+1

This "tobacco free" policy is utter B.S. As an unrepentant (though reduced, with snus) pipe smoker, I oppose smoking bans, but at least with a smoking ban the proponents have the excuse that a smoker's smoke can invade the space of other people who don't want to be exposed to it. A user of smokeless tobacco is invading nobody else's space. There is simply NO excuse in a FREE society for banning adult individuals from using smokeless tobacco--an otherwise legal product--ANYWHERE. (And when tobacco users roll over and take these kinds of bans without putting up any kind of fuss, that is the first step toward tobacco no longer being a legal product.) BTW, I wonder how many of these namby pamby, hippy dippy academic types who are pushing for tobacco bans are staunchly in favor of legalizing pot. Makes ya think.

Rant over. (For now.)

Agreed! I can understand people not wanting to inhale second-hand smoke (maybe they have an allergy or something), but what's in my mouth isn't anyone else's business and it isn't hurting anyone! I'm sick and tired of the anti-tobacco lobby and their agenda. Why can't they just leave other people alone? They are Nazis, IMHO.

[tom502]

You could be 500lbs, and shove Little Debbies in your pie hole all day, and that's fine and good, but you dare put some of that evil devil tobacco in your mouth, and you are an outcaste of society and a pariah.

Yeah, the college tobacco users really do need to form a movement against the Freedom Haters.

[raptor]

We all know how Prohibition went

[Langdell]

We all know how Prohibition went

Well, in all seriousness, the reality of Prohibition wasn't quite the glamorous 13-year party Hollywood makes it out to be. How it really went included a lot of otherwise law-abiding citizens having to skirt the law to go to dangerous places to pay exorbitant prices to criminals for vile and dangerous bathtub gin. Not really what we want to deal with to get some snus. If you think PACT is bad, just wait . . .

[raptor]

I agree. I don't think there's going to be a tobacco ban, maybe a ban on cigarettes... but with anti-smoking being anti-tobacco (and having lots of support) it could extend to an overall ban.

Yep, people aren't going to kick what they like doing just because of a ban. The products will just be less safe, more expensive and at odds with the law.

[PipenSnus]

In addition to turning otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals overnight, any sort of prohibition creates a black market which becomes a gold mine for organized crime.

[CoderGuy]

You could be 500lbs, and shove Little Debbies in your pie hole all day, and that's fine and good, but you dare put some of that evil devil tobacco in your mouth, and you are an outcaste of society and a pariah.

Yeah, the college tobacco users really do need to form a movement against the Freedom Haters.

And on that same note with the rampant childhood obesity problem we have they should ban food commercials. Nothing causes blown diets more than seeing pizza and tacos all night on TV, and of course advertising Now Open All Night!

[raptor]

And on that same note with the rampant childhood obesity problem we have they should ban food commercials. Nothing causes blown diets more than seeing pizza and tacos all night on TV, and of course advertising Now Open All Night!

If there are to be more controls on food, it would be in the way food is produced. American food is packed with sugar a la high-fructose corn syrup, and the resulting body energy and sugar crash works in a similar manner as drugs like nicotine (sustain the sugar rush by eating more!).

The best way to counter obesity without more government control is through nutrition education, but with luxuries technology has brought through video games and TV it's hard to combat sedentary lifestyles Americans enjoy. There's less need to play outdoors and burn calories than just turning on the TV and playing xbox.

Have you ever watched daytime children's TV? Every other commercial is one for McDonald's expounding how happiness is achieved through buying Happy Meals.

[CoderGuy]

If there are to be more controls on food, it would be in the way food is produced. American food is packed with sugar a la high-fructose corn syrup, and the resulting body energy and sugar crash works in a similar manner as drugs like nicotine (sustain the sugar rush by eating more!).

The best way to counter obesity without more government control is through nutrition education, but with luxuries technology has brought through video games and TV it's hard to combat sedentary lifestyles Americans enjoy. There's less need to play outdoors and burn calories than just turning on the TV and playing xbox.

Have you ever watched daytime children's TV? Every other commercial is one for McDonald's expounding how happiness is achieved through buying Happy Meals.

No, nighttime TV is bad enough. I do know you can get 10 tacos for 10 bucks or 2 big macs for 4 bucks. Costs about 8 bucks to make a salad. If they could cut calories without cutting taste, price, and convenience there would be no problems. Consider a whopper w/cheese, fries, and a shake is about 4000 calories, THAT's where the problem lies lol

[tom502]

I just ate some frozen pizza(cooked that is). And I got some energy beer I never tried, I think it's called RISE.

[raptor]

Economically, making unhealthy food is cheap, so they can sell it cheap and appeal to less fortunate Americans. Hell, it wasn't until around 2000 when criticism of fast food finally brought some healthier food to menus, but this recession has done a lot to erase that.

[PipenSnus]

Bad nutrition, especially in kids, is also due to changes in the average working person's lifestyle. Before the two-income family, when most married women were homemakers, they had time to plan and cook nutritious meals. Most of them learned how in high school (do they still teach home economics?). Nowadays, mom and dad are so worn out from their hectic schedules that neither wants to cook, so they take the kids out for dinner. And where do the kids want to eat? It sure ain't the vegetarian restaurant. No, it's Mickey D's, or something equally unhealthy.