Dipper's Guide to Snus

[lxskllr]

what exactly is the oliver twist? im a bit curious.

Picture gooey loose leaf chew a la RedMan or Levi Garrett. Those leaves are twisted tightly like you would do to make thread or rope, they're then(in the case of Oliver Twist) cut into 3mm*6mm(guesstimated) bits. Some other brands are cut bigger, but the idea's the same. You then put a bit in your mouth, and store it in your cheek like you would other tobacco. I prefer the lower rear jaw, but it doesn't matter, put it wherever you like. You can bite the pieces every so often to release more flavor.

They would never replace snus for me because I don't like the mouth feel as well. They're tasty though, and a nice diversion every so often.

One other thing... They don't have the sharp bite American chew has. They're fairly sweet, and nicely flavored. I don't think most women would balk at the taste if that gives you any idea.

[ProudMarineDad]

Howdy to everyone. I found this website by chance and am so glad that I did. Sage and Snusdog gave me a warm welcome already and told me how big a help everyone is on this website.

I have never tried any real Snus. I mainly do the Grizzly pouches at the office (hate to be the person who empties my trash can) and either Kodiak or Skoal Edge at home. I tried Klondike and Camel "Snus" but I didn't really get anything from them.

I think when I finally send my first order to probably Buysnus.com because of the variety, I am just going to buy portions so I can use them at work and home. Here are the ones I am leaning towards because I like more flavor than Cope offers. Taste like dirt to me.

Elixyr, General Extra Sterk, General Onyx, Odens Extra Strong Cinnamon, Offroad Strong Portion, Thunder Extra Strong –wintergreen & frosted.

What do you think? Too strong or should I gear it down some?

PMD

[sagedil]

Other than my first two weeks, the only snus I used my first 4 months was strong. But I was transitioning from two packs of cigarettes a day.

Two suggestions. At least one regular snus, just so you can compare.

And if you think you might even like los, maybe a can to see what that fuss is about. Snus is so cheap compared to what you buy here, really no reason not to experiment. And if you hate it, we have a snus exchange set up here to get rid of cans you don't want.

And even though I said it before, welcome. Happy to see you come back and post more!!

[lxskllr]

Welcome to Snuson!!

Too strong I think. Put a couple a starks in to see if you like them, but I'd include some regular strength snus also.

Here's my suggestion, keeping the same number of tins...

General original portion
General Onyx
Elixyr- You had it in your list, but don't consider this ordinary snus. It's nothing like anything out there.
Thunder Frosted
Probe- this is a flavored snus. Some like it, some don't. But it has a strong flavor.
LD portion
Gotland Yellow portion

[whokilledmyhooker]

This
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[ProudMarineDad]

Welcome to Snuson!!

Too strong I think.

By strong, do you mean the nicotine hit or the flavor? I usually use at least two pouches of Grizzly or a good size pinch of long cut. Grizzly is supposed to be real high in nicotine but am not sure how the amount compares to a portion of snus.

Thanks for the warm welcome to all of you.

[sagedil]

He means nicotine content.

Snus is different enough. Enough you shouldn't assume anything. Get a variety so you know for sure.

[Snusdog]

Welcome to Snuson!!

Too strong I think.

By strong, do you mean the nicotine hit or the flavor? I usually use at least two pouches of Grizzly or a good size pinch of long cut. Grizzly is supposed to be real high in nicotine but am not sure how the amount compares to a portion of snus.

Thanks for the warm welcome to all of you.

PMD (my fellow illustrious and distinguished gentleman from the noble state that is South Carolina),

I have sent many a seasoned dipper to the can with the shits with just a single pinch of Skruf. The nic content in just regular snus is a lot more than in dip. Once you get going I think you will realize that half the effect you felt from dip had nothing to do with Nic.

Thus, I absolutely agree with lxskllr and sage- mix in some of both (regular and stark) who knows you may very well be a nic fiend. But best to try a little of both at first. :wink:

[Snusdog]

Crap!!!!

How does this work????


Just shut up Roo! Don't even say a thing! :x

[Snusdog]

There fixed it Here goes....

The following is from another thread on the forum. I thought the post brought up some important points that were wothy of being included on this thread:

But I'm having a hard time dealing with the silky texture of Los snus, and find myself leaning more towards portions...

Is it just the snus I've been using, Oden's and Gote Rape...

Rowdymon,

First, let me say- a big welcome to the forum. And thanks for your post.

Having come to snus via dip I can sympathies with your dilemma. Snus is by far much finer in cut than dip. That said, all snus is not the same. Some are finer than others. Also I find that the textures of various brands differ significantly. Now while I really like the cut of the Phantoms and the Odens all the V2 products have a wax like texture and feel to them. This may be some of what you are referring to.

Rather than going from one V2 to another (e.g. Oden to Phantom) might I recommend you try knox, Grov, Gotlands, Kronan and Skruf. At the same time, avoid (for now) Roda, General, Granit, Prima Fint. You will want to try these eventually but for now I think it is important just to get you acclimated to snus.

And this is important. For so many (especially x-smokers) the acclimation process is getting used to the salt. However, for us x-dippers, I really think the major point of acclimation is cut and texture.

A while back I posted a thread especially for dippers. It's called "A dipper's Guide to Snus". In it I addressed something of this issue. You can check it out if you would like.

http://www.snuson.com/viewtopic.php?t=4014


However before you go I think it is important to step back and reset your expectations. Rather, than trying to find a Swedish dip come at snus as something similar but new. I think some of the worst products out there are those that try to be an American dip like snus. My advice is to avoid them (unless it is just going to have to be your gig).

Come to terms with snus. Appreciate it for all the things that it is and then learn to adjust for those things you miss about dipping.

That said, a few months back in the “Talk with the Professional” section of the forum I pleaded with the Swedish Match reps to develop a snus with the taste and feel of Copenhagen. Brother, I assure you, there would always be a can of it in my rotation and that can would always be open. There are times when a man has got to go and spit for a while.

Do I lower lip snus? Absolutely. But the finer cut means that more is lost by spitting than with dip. Thus you learn to adjust your technique, which snus brands work best and you go with it form there. But in the end- and I cannot stress this enough- the pay off is well well worth the effort. I put down dip some 2 ½ years ago and I have never regretted it and I have never looked back.

I hope this helps and keep us posted on your progress- just remember clear the expectations and let the wonderful world of snus do the rest.

Rowdy- I'm going to stick this post over on the dipper's guide because I think that there are a lot of folks that have found and will find the same thing. As you go along, I would really appreciate it if you would add your experiences and finding to that thread. Thanks mate :wink:

[lxskllr]

He means nicotine content.

Snus is different enough. Enough you shouldn't assume anything. Get a variety so you know for sure.

Yup, I thought you had too many starks on your list.

Also, I didn't include it in my list, but Grov might be a good one to try. You said you didn't want a plain flavor due to your dip experience, but snus is fairly different from dip. My very first try out box had Grov portions, and I put it off to almost the end, because I didn't think I'd like a natural flavored snus. It ended up being one of my favorites of the whole set. I wouldn't take anything for granted regarding snus. You may be surprised at what you like and don't like regarding flavors and styles.

[ProudMarineDad]

Sage wasn't kidding. This is a great forum. I really appreciate all the info. Yes, I am nic fiend.

[sagedil]

I think *most* of us here qualify as well. :wink:

[rowdymon]

Yes that was me, and I'll start posting my responses to that thread here as well...thank you for pointing it out to me again, as I was remiss in not adding my experiences here earlier.

I did not realize that Phantom and Odens were of the same manufacturer...interesting because I cracked a can of Phantom Blue last night and found that same silky texture...now it makes sense, as does the wax content being what I have noticed as a silky texture. I am going to have to play with that and see what I can change as I still have some odd 6 cans of los I have not opened yet.

The rest of this post is going to meander on various topics on los snus...so please be patient.

Now to add my two cents, I stopped dipping Copenhagen when my order came in. I wanted to make a positive change in my nicotine habits. I am a dry dipper, meaning I use my jaw and cheek tight to each other when I dip or snus los, so mudslides really aren't an issue. I use my tongue to correct movement and keep it packed to a designated area. It's a constant thing for me to do, and part of my oral fixation that I have been fixing with american dip for so long. My last dip of Copenhagen was Monday morning in the shower. Thus far it has not been a struggle, the snus has fixed my nicotine and oral needs more than adequately. I think many of us fall into that category.

When dipping American tobacco I go through a can of Cope LC in 5-6 hits. When I upper lip los snus I use a single PrisMaster load, and when I lower lip snus I use 3-4 pris master loads and use my tongue to bake them into one large pris. I don't suffer from loose los or little bits floating around in my mouth.

This is a great forum, and this thread did more for getting me to try snus than anything else. Thank you for your work on creating this and keeping it updated.

[Snusdog]

This is a great forum, and this thread did more for getting me to try snus than anything else. Thank you for your work on creating this and keeping it updated.

Rowdy,

It is nice to hear that the thread is serving its purpose. I think your statement just hit on one of the big reasons that so many put in so much time here. Thanks and may the snus abide 8)