Dipper's Guide to Snus

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  • mattzq8sonoma
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    • Sep 2014
    • 104

    I realize that this thread is very old, but I'd like to add a few things coming from the perspective of an analytical chemist who works for Swedish Match to compare our Swedish snus to our American moist snuff from a harmful and potentially harmful constituent point of view and shed some insight.

    We all know that moist snuff is fermented, and snus is pasteurized. Others have posted about tobacco blends and that moist snuff uses US tobacco only. This is not true. We purchase tobacco from all over the world for our blends. American grown tobacco is higher in heavy metals like cadmium, mercury, lead, zinc, etc because of the soil composition, and burley tobacco we grow for use in moist snuff has a better ability to transport those heavy metals to the leaves, aka lamina, because these metals are required for the health of the plant. Because of this, we blend with tobaccos from other parts of the world that are lower in metals. Also, US regulations on the use of agrochemicals limit or prohibit the use of thousands of chemicals, but those regulations don't necessarily exist in developing countries, so that is also an area of interest because those chemicals are also very hazardous to human health. So all potentially purchased tobacco is screened for agrochemicals, heavy metals, nitrosamines, etc before purchase.

    The curing process is where many of the harmful constituents come in. Tobacco specific nitrosamines are primarily formed not in the growing plant but during the curing process, especially in fire cured tobaccos. They originate from nicotine itself and other similar alkaloids. A lack of O2, heat and high water content in the lamina aid in the production of these compounds tremendously. Methods and methodologies have been developed over the years to limit the formation of these compounds (ie. Good farming practices, flue curing, air curing, etc). Fire curing also adds PAHs to the tobacco.

    That said, swedish snus made to the Gothiatek standard, contains no fire cured tobacco, whereas moist snuff is > 50% fire cured tobacco. Brands other than Red Man, Timberwolf and Longhorn... like Grizzly, Kodiak, Copenhagen, skoal are even higher, which correlates to higher tsna, among other harmful constituents.

    Fermentation is another area of concern. Pasteurization of snus is basically an elimination of microbials, whereas fermentation is the cultivation of the microbials in a controlled environment of specific moisture content and salinity in order to have specific activity during fermentation and limit unwanted microbial activity, like nitrate reduction to nitrite because nitrite is the key factor in the production of many TSNAs.

    As for ingredients, what is there in the ingredient list is what goes into the finished tobacco. So formaldahyde is NOT NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN added to smokeless tobacco products. I cant speak for cigarettes because i do not test those ir know the manufacturing process but most smokeless tobacco makers (except Swedish Match) are the same companies that make cigarettes, so im assuming the same is true for cigarettes. Now, tobacco is a very complex matrix of several thousand compounds, most of which are inherent to the tobacco itself and not added. We can't control what is inherent to the tobacco itself, but we can and do test the levels of these hazardous compounds at every stage of the process so that we know that we are within our very strict standards. Because of this complex matrix, we cannot control every interaction but we do try to understand these interactions and limit the negative ones, for example the production of ethyl carbamate. It is formed by the reaction between ethanol (which us used as a flavor diluent) and urea, that is inherent.

    Ingredients that are added to snus and/or snuff are salts, water, buffers (sodium carbonate, magnesium carbonate and/or ammonium carbonate...which are there to raise the pH and therefore, increase the nicotine absorption in vivo, and reduce microbial activity), flavors, ethanol (most Swedish Match snus contains no ethanol and the elimination of ethanol from all is in the final stage), propylene glycol. Other companies add binders and plasticizers but Swedish Match has a very extensive list of compounds that we do not use such as these, and certain flavor components that are considered hazardous.

    As for recommended storage, snus is refrigerated because of the lack of addition of certain compounds that have a preservative effect. What I mean by this is snus flavors as you well know are very subtle meaning they are in low concentrations, typically 0.05-0.5%, because the flavors used are very strong so not much is needed. Snuff isnt refrigerated (although it doesn't hurt) because the flavors are added at a high percentage (ie. Wintergreen (methyl salicylate) at 2.5%-3%) and most moist snuff flavors have a preservative effect and hence reduce microbial activity that can cause the rise of nitrosamines. So we dont add formaldahyde or any harmful ingredient to moist snuff.

    And for the record, there is no fiberglass in moist snuff.

    To conclude smokeless tobacco is safer than cigarettes, although the FDA doesnt allow that verbage to be on the packaging. Swedish snus made to the extremely rigorous standards of Gothiatek, is the safest of smokeless tobacco products on the market today. It is this way because it is the only product out there that has limits to the allowable amounts of hundreds of hazardous constituents.

    Any questions or comments, let me know

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    • mattzq8sonoma
      Member
      • Sep 2014
      • 104

      Originally posted by Snusdog
      mattzq8sonoma,

      Again thank you for that post

      One question: we had a Pinkerton rep tell us that the TNSA levels in its three lines of snuff were 5ppm (compared to SM 2ppm) and that due to the processing methods that level would not elevate with shelf life.

      Can you verify that?

      If it is true......... then it seems the Pinkerton line would be an option for those who are having trouble obtaining snus.

      That said, snus still remains the safer and IMHO superior product.

      Thanks
      dog
      So we're all on the same page, Pinkerton is owned by Swedish Match, and are the US subsidiary of Swedish Match where our US made products are produced and packaged.

      Dry basis TSNA's do not rise in the shelf life of any of our products. Some lose a little bit of moisture over the shelf life period, depending on the conditions, so that's why I said dry basis. But there is no activity going on in the packaging that increases TSNAs. Historically speaking, our US snuff products are 5ppm or less, Loose leaf, like Red Man chew, 3 ppm or less. In the last couple years for snuff and loose leaf, they've been less than 4 and 2 ppm, respectively. So yes I would say that Pinkerton products are superior in their safety in terms of snuff products. And snus is safer then snuff IMO.

      Matt

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      • mattzq8sonoma
        Member
        • Sep 2014
        • 104

        Dipper's Guide to Snus

        I've been meaning to type something like this for a while. I'm an analytical chemist at Swedish Match and I am very familiar with our processes in both Snus and American Dip.

        On the main page, there's the link to "The Differences Between Snus and American Smokeless", which is a pretty decent explanation, albeit some of the information is incorrect. So I'm typing this as a clarification, and addition. Here goes:

        Many people have asked this simple question, "what's the difference is between Swedish snus and American dip?" To Americans, they look similar, come in similar cans and both are used orally but that’s where the similarities end! To really understand the differences, we need to start with how they both are made.

        American Dip, or Smokeless, is made from tobaccos that are strictly from U.S. grown tobaccos from places like North Carolina, Virginia, Kentucky and West Virginia among others
        Not always true, matter of fact that is mostly false. Most American dip is a blend of tobacco's from all over the world. A lot of companies say "100% American grown tobacco" or something on those lines. Some do say "50% Domestic/50% Imported Tobacco". Some do say "100% Domestic" or "100% US" so this is somewhat true. The word "American" is too vague because a lot of tobacco comes from Canada, Mexico, Central America, South America. All of these are considered "American". Copenhagen for instance is 100% American, but 70% US and 30% Brazilian. Swedish Match American Dip brands have tobacco from the US, Canada, Philippines, Italy, Argentina, etc. while Swedish snus uses a variety of different tobaccos from across the globe, including the U.S.! Although both go thru a similar, initial drying process, the American version adds another step here which makes it unique. Piles of sawdust, primarily from Oak or Hickory, are lit and allowed to smolder in the barn. This generates smoke that flavors the tobacco. After that, the smoked, dried tobacco is placed in barrels and allowed to ferment for up to 5 years to develop its character.Ferment here in this sentence is wrong. "Aged" is what should be there. Much like wine or cheese or bourbon, except in those cases the aging process happens after fermentation. Wine and cheese and bourbon are aged to mature the flavor components that are present. American Dip has the flavors added later. Fermentation is after the tobacco is cut & water and salt & other flavor components are added. Water is added to make the fermentation possible, and salt is added so that the fermentation is selective because a lot of microorganisms can't survive in high salinity. Those microbes are not wanted for the fermentation step and the salt will kill most of them. Some companies do moisten and then ferment whole leaves then dry them, then cut but that's not standard practice. That's more of a cigar leaf thing, like the Italian Toscano cigars. After that its cut, flavors and sweeteners are added and then it’s canned.

        Swedish snus is processed much differently. Tobaccos from around the world, including the U.S. and Sweden, are chosen and bypass the smoking
        Traditionally, snus did use fire-cured tobacco. Swedish Match products since around 1980 have NO fire-cured tobacco. Instead they use air-cured and flue-cured tobacco, much like cigarettes, which are lower in TSNA's and other harmful constituents, because of the curing process. To compensate for the loss of the smoky flavors from fire-cured tobacco, artificial smoke flavors are added, which took years and years to perfect because most of those flavors are very fake tasting and smelling. I can't speak for any other snus manufacturers as far as their use of fire-cured tobacco, but Swedish Match snus products contain no fire-cured tobacco. and fermenting. These tobaccos are mixed and stored in a cool warehouse for about 2 years before they are ground together. The grinding process resembles the flour making process that grinds the grain between steel wheels. It’s then sifted and reground until the right consistency is achieved. After that, the ground tobacco is dried and moved into a steam chamber to cure"Cure" is not the right word here. The tobacco is already cured. A more accurate word is "Pasteurize". It's put in a steam chamber under pressure and heat to kill anything that's growing in it and, more importantly, to also kill spores that are present from spore-forming bacteria, which are the primary microbes that can reduce Nitrate to Nitrite. Nitrite plus Nicotine and other Nicotine alkaloids and amines = Nitrosamines. at a low temperature and then moved into flavoring vats. After that, it’s packaged and placed in a cool room for up to 2 weeks to allow the flavors to combine.

        The major difference between Swedish snus and American dip is the safety factor. Swedish snus has a considerably lower amount of Tobacco Specific Nitrosamines (TSNA’s), which is a carcinogen, than American Dip. This is due to the omission of the smoking and fermentation steps that American Smokeless brands go thru and the low temperatures that Swedish snus is kept. That’s why Swedish snus is recommended to be stored in temperatures between 38 and 42 degrees Fahrenheit.
        Snus is refrigerated just to keep the flavor fresh. It has nothing to do with nitrosamine production. Because of the pasteurization step, an unopened can will not rise in nitrosamine content when not refrigerated because the microbes that aid that process aren't present. They are refrigerated because there are no preservatives present, although Propylene Glycol does have preservative properties in tobacco, and the refrigeration helps keep the flavor the way that it is supposed to be.

        Thanks for reading, any questions, let me know.

        Matt

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        • Snusie
          Member
          • Mar 2015
          • 40

          This bears repeating, especially for new los users:

          Originally posted by Snusdog View Post
          From another thread


          Quote Originally Posted by Snusdog

          This might be something some of you find helpful

          When I first open a can of los……………I pack (smash) the tobacco down in the tin

          I have a shot glass that works perfectly to pack the tobacco evenly and tightly.

          I have found that this helps the snus stay fresh, moist, and full flavored longer.

          It also helps some brands that tend to get crumbly or even a little bitter towards the end of the can

          (I am thinking especially of Kronan which is good the first few pinches but becomes more and more bitter the longer the tin is opened)

          Anyway……..thought I would pass this along………..try it………. and see if it works for you


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          • yassine
            New Member
            • Jan 2019
            • 5

            yea I'm not a big fan of the fiberboard cans

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            • Snusdog
              Member
              • Jun 2008
              • 6752

              Originally posted by yassine View Post
              yea I'm not a big fan of the fiberboard cans
              I guess if I thought about it I prefer plastic over fiberboard........but really for me I care more about how well the lid fits on the can.....back in the day I remember the phantom cans were plastic but the lids were really flimsy
              When it's my time to go, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my uncle did....... Not screaming in terror like his passengers

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              • tom502
                Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 8985

                I like the fiberboard. But for me, it just has a certain look and feel... more organic... but I'm thinking Copenhagen Long Cut, which was my favorite, and as I type this it brings back memories of how that was just so good... I'm gonna relapse...

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                • Snusdog
                  Member
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 6752

                  Originally posted by tom502 View Post
                  I like the fiberboard. But for me, it just has a certain look and feel... more organic... but I'm thinking Copenhagen Long Cut, which was my favorite, and as I type this it brings back memories of how that was just so good... I'm gonna relapse...
                  Hey you want to talk old school fiberboad cans.......I remember Happy Days......Earl Cambell used to do their adds

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                  When it's my time to go, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my uncle did....... Not screaming in terror like his passengers

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