you guys get withdrawls?

[Draquix]

There is no way you can EVER compare benzo withdrawal with nicotine withdrawal. Thats ridiculous.

If you are comparing the two, then your body did not become dependent on the valium, which is great to hear. Benzo's are saviour drugs, for me esp., but if you use them daily, you're basically ****ed in the long run.

These withdrawal threads are depressing as hell....I'm no longer commenting on these.

100mgs of val a day is definately an addictive level. I used online pharmacies until 10 of the 10mgs didn't do much w/o alcohol. I'd still rather quit the low does I'm still allowed than give up nicotine.

[heppycat]

I'm withdrawing from long term klonopin (clonazepam) use right now. This is my third try and day #7. If I make it tomorrow it will be a new record!

[elmos]

withdrawal

I have been on painkillers for years. I hope when they put me in the booby hatch they let me have snuss. (I know they will not give me matches) My brother was on clonapin. He was nuts. He should have used snuss. I don't know what the withdrawal from snuss is like. I don't want congress to help me find out either. I am at a stage that says I just feel like doing it maybe eight or ten times a day. One point though, I love my pipes. I don't inhale. I gave up cigs about two months ago. Strange, its hard for me to enjoy my pipes anymore as I would rather snuss. It seems easier than matches and all that stuff. It can be more fufilling.

[Maxpower05080]

Re: withdrawal

My brother was on clonapin. He was nuts. He should have used snuss.

There is quite a big difference between the two.

[sgreger1]

Re: you guys get withdrawls?

if so what's it like?

i'd especially like to hear from snusers that never smoked cigs.

I never smoked cigs, and I can not snus for 2 or three days and I usually end up snusing just as something to do not because of withdrawls. Ive never felt a nicotene withdrawl truthfully, even when i dipped american tobaco every day for over a year I would stop for 2 weeks at a time while I was on vacation etc. I was also drunk most of that time so I dunno if that counts.

I noticed if I dont pop a snus in first thing in the morning I can go almost all day without thinking about one. but if i start my morning with one that I want one every hour or so

[Skimo]

I wait until after I've showered and gotten going to take a snus this past week using less snus, compared to cigs, snus is easy as cake.

Cigarettes condition you, light inhale, nicotine!, exhale. repeat.....
Snus bake pris, insert, wait, wait, wait, nic flow, nic flow, sip beverage, do chore, work, whatever.

I think it's like pavlovs dog, cigarettes for most of us interrupt our lives, we have to go out side, or we have to go to the smoking lounge, but we have to smoke that cig fast!

the snuser knows when he will have his pris, knows that it won't interfere with work.

the smoker has his mind set on on period of time where he will get his nicotine, and becomes more focused on his addiction.

[pangloss]

I wait until after I've showered and gotten going to take a snus this past week using less snus, compared to cigs, snus is easy as cake.

Cigarettes condition you, light inhale, nicotine!, exhale. repeat.....
Snus bake pris, insert, wait, wait, wait, nic flow, nic flow, sip beverage, do chore, work, whatever.

I think it's like pavlovs dog, cigarettes for most of us interrupt our lives, we have to go out side, or we have to go to the smoking lounge, but we have to smoke that cig fast!

the snuser knows when he will have his pris, knows that it won't interfere with work.

the smoker has his mind set on on period of time where he will get his nicotine, and becomes more focused on his addiction.

I completely agree with that. The reward center in your brain gets activated within 7 seconds when the nic is absorbed through the alveoli of the lungs.

with snus, it has to be absorbed through the more robust wall of the oral mucosa. Less (physiologic) association between snus and immediate gratification = less physical addiction potential.

As for the psychological aspect, I think you are right on in that the conditions need to be right to grab a smoke. Must step away from the poker table, outside the office, etc. This puts one into the midset that he/she must get nic when they can, rather than at their convenience.

[sth]

For those talking about benzodiazepine withdrawal being incredibly hard, you should ask your MD to look into the water titration method of reduction of benzodiazepines

while i dont have the study on hand, there is a method where the benzodiazepine is dissolved in the same amount of water everyday and taken as a liquid; you then reduce the liquid by incredibly miniscule amounts 2 weeks to a month at a time. the reduction is much more gradual than the usual reduction, and is practically unnoticeable to your body because the dose is reduced by like half a ml a month.

it takes like forever though :/

[pangloss]

For those talking about benzodiazepine withdrawal being incredibly hard, you should ask your MD to look into the water titration method of reduction of benzodiazepines

while i dont have the study on hand, there is a method where the benzodiazepine is dissolved in the same amount of water everyday and taken as a liquid; you then reduce the liquid by incredibly miniscule amounts 2 weeks to a month at a time. the reduction is much more gradual than the usual reduction, and is practically unnoticeable to your body because the dose is reduced by like half a ml a month.

it takes like forever though :/

huh, interesting. I'd never heard of that. It seems like a really good way to titrate down off benzos. Would you perchance happen to remember what journal it was in, or approximately when it came out?

Thanks
pangloss

[somebodysomeone88]

The only time I ever have a nicotine free day is when I'm so hungover that smoking or snusing makes me want to throw up. But the beginning of the vitamin N withdrawls make the hangover so so so much worse. On top of my body already telling me I'm naucious and my head pounding I usually develop a slight case of the shakes and it actually feels like I'm shaking from the inside out. I don't go through a can a day, but I almost always have a snus in, my habit has jumped up to a can every 2 days, 3 days maximum though.

[rscott222]

Benzo w/d is nasty, I have seen some very extreme cases as a healthcare worker and we have tried a variety of options but people can become disorientated and violent if they have been consistently using a benzo and then gone cold turkey. Afterall we treat alcohol w/d with lots of benzos to calm the system, now imagine if you didn't start with that alcohol portion and were taking benzos for high levels of anxiety or pain, nasty but necessary medication or worse they were mixing these two drugs.
Also each person is different and their responses are different with EACH type of drug that enters their systems. Personally I can say that Snus has helped me to quit smoking. I'll work on the Snus addiction later.

[DaveInPA]

I've actually found that I get worse withdrawl symptoms from snus than I did with cigarettes. Luckily, it's easier to snus that smoke

[paulwall9]

I found that snus withdraws are tolerable1 I go sometimes 3-5hrs without a snus and do just fine!

[yummi4tunekookie]

nicotine withdrawal, is more of a craving feeling. It's not a big deal at all...a bit irritable, but that its. Anyone can deal with it. Its actually very difficult for the body to become truly dependent on nicotine, which happens VERY easily with drugs such as benzodiazepines or opiates. Nicotine half life is about an hour or so, so the liver gets rid of it almost just as fast as it hits.

If you have been using nicotine for years, and suddenly stop yeah you'll have cravings, headaches, etc, but nothing serious. If you've been on a benzo like alprazolam for only a few months and suddenly stop, you'll have horrible anxiety attacks, seizures, and most likely have to be hospitalized. This is what true withdrawal is, so I get kind of mad of people who complain about nicotine withdrawal.

All I can say is if you quit nicotine, you'll be perfectly fine and the symptoms which are never that bad in the first place will fade quickly.

I agree with what sage said, It feels like ditching a friend for me too. A cigarette or snus portions is like a reward for me, same as a cup of coffee. I think coffee would be just as hard to quit as snus for me.

I still miss my cigarettes. :cry: :cry:

:lol:

Oh, crap. This worries be because my mother was recently prescribed Valium to help with her high blood pressure. She's to take it every night, though I don't know for how long. She's also 62, and I wonder whether that heightens the risk of her becoming dependent.

[HK11]

nicotine withdrawal, is more of a craving feeling. It's not a big deal at all...a bit irritable, but that its. Anyone can deal with it. Its actually very difficult for the body to become truly dependent on nicotine, which happens VERY easily with drugs such as benzodiazepines or opiates. Nicotine half life is about an hour or so, so the liver gets rid of it almost just as fast as it hits.

If you have been using nicotine for years, and suddenly stop yeah you'll have cravings, headaches, etc, but nothing serious. If you've been on a benzo like alprazolam for only a few months and suddenly stop, you'll have horrible anxiety attacks, seizures, and most likely have to be hospitalized. This is what true withdrawal is, so I get kind of mad of people who complain about nicotine withdrawal.

All I can say is if you quit nicotine, you'll be perfectly fine and the symptoms which are never that bad in the first place will fade quickly.

I agree with what sage said, It feels like ditching a friend for me too. A cigarette or snus portions is like a reward for me, same as a cup of coffee. I think coffee would be just as hard to quit as snus for me.

I still miss my cigarettes. :cry: :cry:

:lol:

Oh, crap. This worries be because my mother was recently prescribed Valium to help with her high blood pressure. She's to take it every night, though I don't know for how long. She's also 62, and I wonder whether that heightens the risk of her becoming dependent.

You can get valium for HBP?