I do not understand how you EUers tax things.

[waifl]

Hey all,

I'm spending the entire summer in France working on a farm where mail will be slow, etc. etc. I'm a rather heavy snuser, and was planning on bringing a couple of rolls with me at least, but I know the limit at customs is 200g untaxed. Does anyone have any idea how much, past that limit, taxes will be?

[58328832]

I live in Finland and any snus that goes to customs gets taxed the hell out of it. Which means like 500% (yes there are two zeros). I have never ordered snus by mail but apparently the customs extremely rarely catch the packages. Of course leaving them uncustomed is a crime but there's no chance of being caught. I don't actually know the rules when bringing it with you from Swedish ferries, but it's commonplace to pack dozens of cans, maybe even hundreds.

[CM]

Actually they catch them these days very much, and yeah the tax rate is hell. 1 tower and taxes are like 120E, thats why I'm going for the boat-trips!

[spirit72]

I used to think we Americans had it bad when it came to tobacco taxes. Turns out I didn't know the half of it.

I feel for you guys in the EU and Canada, seriously.

[Jason]

I used to think we Americans had it bad when it came to tobacco taxes. Turns out I didn't know the half of it.

I feel for you guys in the EU and Canada, seriously.

I agree; that's really just ridiculous. :?

When the EU came about, so many things were changed for the better, but there are a few things that just seem absurd. It almost reminds me of Eastern Bloc mentality.

[chainsnuser]

Re: I do not understand how you EUers tax things.

Hey all,

I'm spending the entire summer in France working on a farm where mail will be slow, etc. etc. I'm a rather heavy snuser, and was planning on bringing a couple of rolls with me at least, but I know the limit at customs is 200g untaxed. Does anyone have any idea how much, past that limit, taxes will be?

This 200g-limit certainly applies only for smoked tobacco. Chewing tobacco generally is free from tobacco taxes throughout the EU (except Sweden).
Nonetheless the duty will be about as high as the Swedish taxes in the webshops. Just visit Buysnus and switch to "ordering from the EU" to get an idea.
You only have to convince the customs-officers (who maybe never have seen snus) that the 'heavy' (smoked-)tobacco-duty does not apply. And you will have to show the customs-officers an invoice or a confirmation of order including net prices, so that they can calculate the duty.
I'm no expert for French customs BTW, but in Germany, the highest duty for snus (imported tax-free from outside of the EU) is 60.6% of the net price. It shoudn't be much different in France since they also have to obey to the EU-directives.

Cheers!

[waifl]

Thanks chainsnuser, that was super helpful, but are you sure that the 200g limit applies only to smoking tobacco? And if so, do you know where to find that particular provision of the customs code?

[chainsnuser]

No, sorry!

But with a short websearch I found this info by the French customs:
http://www.douane.gouv.fr/data/file/5553.pdf
It only mentions smoked tobacco and a rather high duty and tax-free allowance for other products for voyagers from non EU-countries ("pays tiers").

Unfortunately I'm really no expert but I hope this helps!

Cheers!

[cactus]

Hello
I' m living in France, my snus orders from Northerner or Buysnus take 4-5 days to reach the mail boxe ( with swedish post ).
" La Poste " is supposed to have the same efficiency wether you are in a village or a big city- that's one of the reason we pay high taxes here
Here's one order I made from Northerner FYI:
Item total: $ 12.37
Tax amount: $ 4.77
Tobacco Tax: $ 1.03
Delivery cost: $ 5.69
Total: $ 23.86
I' ve orderer only small quantities so far- don' t know if big packages would get attention from the customs.
Most likely you' re not at risk from being lost without snus here.

Enjoy your summer !

[chainsnuser]

I' ve orderer only small quantities so far- don' t know if big packages would get attention from the customs.

If you order from Sweden there's no reason to be cautious. All EU-taxes are already paid with the Swedish taxes. Snus is not dutiable inside the EU. For the worst you will have to convince some clueless customs-officers that it really isn't, but smokeless tobacco is already known quite a bit in France so that isn't likely to happen.

Cheers!

[Mazur]

In France chewing tobacco is "tabac à mâcher". Importing in your baggage is not described in quantity/weight but in value.

(S’agissant des tabacs à priser et à mâcher, dans la mesure où aucune franchise quantitative n’est
prévue par la réglementation communautaire, la franchise en valeur de 175 euros par personne s’applique.)

You can take with you snus in value 175EUR.
(source: http://www.douane.gouv.fr/data/file/4970.pdf - it is about importing tobacco made by individuals but there is also mentioned, as a comparsion, quantities of bought tobacco. )

But please consult it with you lawyer because I'm not from France

Taxes:
Taric code (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/tarhome_en.htm) for chewing tobacco:
2403991000

Import duty from US: 41.60 % (or 16.60 % if they treat it as "other tobacco" - but I doubt it).

I agree that best idea is to order stuff in EU, delivery - 3-5 days

[outsidelinebacker20]

I bought from GetSnus when I was home in Illinois and brought back 23 or so. It saved a lot on the taxes as apposed to buying it in Germany from Northerner. I just strolled through the "Nothing to Declare" lane at the airport under the assumption it was worth less than 175 Euro. I know that chew is not taxable from my Skoal to Germany via mail days. Incidentally, multiple trips to Customs to explain their job to them is what got me to try snus in the first place. Thank God for the Swedes. I like it better than chew now.

Kevin

[sgreger1]

I used to think we Americans had it bad when it came to tobacco taxes. Turns out I didn't know the half of it.

I feel for you guys in the EU and Canada, seriously.

This is where socialism takes us, and the US is trying their darndest to be cool like the EU nowadays. Makes me ****ing sick.

[chainsnuser]

I used to think we Americans had it bad when it came to tobacco taxes. Turns out I didn't know the half of it.

I feel for you guys in the EU and Canada, seriously.

This is where socialism takes us, and the US is trying their darndest to be cool like the EU nowadays. Makes me ****ing sick.

I personally prefer the EU-"socialism", which makes me pay 7 Dollars for a can of snus (to finance people who don't deserve it: politicians, slackers, and other scumbags) to the "communism" that deprives people from the freedom to purchase snus at all, as scheduled in the "PACT-Act".

And you know that there is no pun intended. Everything that can be done in the USA to prevent this PACT-Act will help us in Europe, who I fear would sooner or later have to deal with a similar bill.

Cheers!